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This. I had to read what he said three times to make sure I wasn't hallucinating.
Killing hibernating bears
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This. I had to read what he said three times to make sure I wasn't hallucinating.
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true...As to the original post: {yawn} True or not, I'm bothered by this as much as I am bothered by dentists shooting Cecils.
Being Alaska, these could be grizzly or black bears: In circumstances of nuissance/known killers I would not even consider toothed legholds as being unethical. Circumstances make all the difference... I'd also suggest that having the fortitude to climb into a den and extracting the carcass is very sporting.
reddog9x19
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/\ /\ /\ This...
I'd like to be there.
Bottom line here is that the state of Alaska will decide what behaviour to sanction regarding wildlife and legallity surrouding the use of or misuse of such resources. Really doesn't matter what any of us think. No one here I presume has any authority to sign a bill into law so we are just spectators.
We can however to a limited degree influence policy and law in our own country, province, or municipality. The best chance you have is to become a property owner. Private property rights are some of the strongest in the country. The next best chance you have to influence outcomes in society is to be a lawmaker. If you aren't already one of those things then become a millionaire. You will have the best chance of getting what you want when you want it if you become all three.
That being said, if I was all three, people would have to pay the market price to kill wildlife. No more $30 tags. That's one of the reasons we have people killing bears in their dens. Makes no sense to me a rancher can complain to the wildlife department and next thing you know they're culling $20,000-$40,000 grizzly bears to save a few $1500-2000 cows. Or selling significantly more moose tags then there are moose when they could sell less tags for $5000 each and have more moose to breed and eventually build up the wildlife fund to a point that they can actually have some revenue to reinvest in wildlife management, enforcement and habitat acquisition.
Unfortunately wildlife is the only department not run like a business. Agriculture, mining, forestry and every other department is. It's about time we start valuing our wildlife and maybe there will be enough for everyone. When a rancher is getting $4000 US for a black bear hunt plus $500 for a gall bladder and $5000 US for a white tailed deer or mule deer, or $10,000 for an elk or moose he isn't going to complain about losing a few acres to wildlife damage or a couple calves to predation is he? Nope, he's going to take a different approach and protect those animals that are worth the most. In this case the wildlife that inhabits his land. But he's not going to protect the wildlife unless it's worth something to him. Right now wildlife is just a liability.
If you're still thinking you won't be able to afford to hunt you're wrong. You will be able to. As price goes up more people will take an interest in conserving or producing wildlife and the price will come down and quality will go up. Just like any other good sold in market. As demand goes up so does production. These morons who manage our wildlife take a differenent approach. As wildlife goes down so do hunting opportunities. Every other industry would find a way to increase production (wildlife population) to meet demand, but not our idiot government. So thus, I must become a landowner and produce my own wildlife to meet my own demands of quality and quantity. A very expensive passion indeed.
We can however to a limited degree influence policy and law in our own country, province, or municipality. The best chance you have is to become a property owner. Private property rights are some of the strongest in the country. The next best chance you have to influence outcomes in society is to be a lawmaker. If you aren't already one of those things then become a millionaire. You will have the best chance of getting what you want when you want it if you become all three.
That being said, if I was all three, people would have to pay the market price to kill wildlife. No more $30 tags. That's one of the reasons we have people killing bears in their dens. Makes no sense to me a rancher can complain to the wildlife department and next thing you know they're culling $20,000-$40,000 grizzly bears to save a few $1500-2000 cows. Or selling significantly more moose tags then there are moose when they could sell less tags for $5000 each and have more moose to breed and eventually build up the wildlife fund to a point that they can actually have some revenue to reinvest in wildlife management, enforcement and habitat acquisition.
Unfortunately wildlife is the only department not run like a business. Agriculture, mining, forestry and every other department is. It's about time we start valuing our wildlife and maybe there will be enough for everyone. When a rancher is getting $4000 US for a black bear hunt plus $500 for a gall bladder and $5000 US for a white tailed deer or mule deer, or $10,000 for an elk or moose he isn't going to complain about losing a few acres to wildlife damage or a couple calves to predation is he? Nope, he's going to take a different approach and protect those animals that are worth the most. In this case the wildlife that inhabits his land. But he's not going to protect the wildlife unless it's worth something to him. Right now wildlife is just a liability.
If you're still thinking you won't be able to afford to hunt you're wrong. You will be able to. As price goes up more people will take an interest in conserving or producing wildlife and the price will come down and quality will go up. Just like any other good sold in market. As demand goes up so does production. These morons who manage our wildlife take a differenent approach. As wildlife goes down so do hunting opportunities. Every other industry would find a way to increase production (wildlife population) to meet demand, but not our idiot government. So thus, I must become a landowner and produce my own wildlife to meet my own demands of quality and quantity. A very expensive passion indeed.
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Yup. But it's what we have come to expect from the resident expert on Quality Deer Management and farming game.
WRT the original story, maybe looking into it BEFORE getting a hand-wringers session started would be a good idea.
Personally, I don't really care if they send a Ninja in after it, pour a gallon of gas onto it and drop in a grenade, or napalm the entire grid square that the bear is in, to destroy it, as, and folks should read this carefully, "It Is Not Hunting", nor was it meant to be.
Cheers
Trev
Save the Bears! Collect the whole set! 45 gallon drums work fine for storage!
are they pet or something like that with the tag or the bell lol .....
I'm no lawyer but I'm pretty sure Canada doesn't have a statute of limitations when it comes to cattle rustling, and you've just given a written admission of guilt.
Not funny, not right, disturbing, sociopathic, and probably just a load of BS.
Agreed, but theft and disregard for property is not subject to perspective. That is what gets me, if you can laugh about missing the good old days of being a cattle thief sorry no good in my books. Or society, or the law, for that matter.
My caucasian European ancestors came to Canada over 100 years ago by iron canoe (ship). They were just expanding their traditional tribal hunting grounds overseas. How is it my fault that my blood ancestors displaced a less technologically advanced civilization to become the dominant culture and inhabit their historical/traditional lands? And why would I have to make consessions to a less advanced civilization 4 generations later?
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How does one take this the wrong way? The worst part of it is it took others calling you out to own up and apologize, you couldn't/probably still don't see the problem with your behaviour, rather you seemed to think it was funny... And people wonder where the native poacher stereotype comes from, it's this broken, ass backwards way of thinking. I thank you for your stewardship!
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