They've got a lot left - I didn't pick up a case though - just few boxes to try out. When I was there they rolled out at least a dozen more wooden crates out to the cash wrap.
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LeBaron preorder 1320 rounds of Russian 7.62x39 Surplus $192
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They've got a lot left - I didn't pick up a case though - just few boxes to try out. When I was there they rolled out at least a dozen more wooden crates out to the cash wrap.
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So how does transferring them all from the crate to a .50 cal ammo can make long term storage more feasible? I figure closing the lid on a .50 cal can would be just as sealed as the crate and heat sealed plastic bags would be.
The ammo in question has been repackaged (probably thanks to NRCAN
) and is in little cardboard boxes of 20 rounds each inside a wooden crate that isn't near the quality of the old Czech crates. It's a rough wood crate that has tongue & groove top & bottom with lots of cracks & gaps. The crate would have been fine if the ammo was still in it's original spam cans but it isn't! The ammo is not sealed in plastic either. It's not sealed from the atmosphere at all & that's the problem. Humidity in the air WILL eventually make it's way into the crate & through the flimsy cardboard. I suppose in most cases the worst that would happen in the short term is the cases might tarnish somewhat and it would take allot of moisture to spoil the ammo so I'm probably just being anal but it wouldn't be the first time I've been accused of that! It also depends where you are and where you store it. If you have somewhere cool & dry with low relative humidity then it's probably not an issue. I'm in SW Ont and the humidity here can be stupid sometimes since we're surrounded by the Great Lakes. By placing in a surplus ammo can with a rubber gasket it should be safe & nice & shiny for decades.
Hope that helps!
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Soviet M43 bullets are boat-tail bullets with a copper-plated steel jacket, a large steel core, and some lead between the core and the jacket. The casing is copper washed steel & Berdan primed. Corrosive primers & not re-loadable.
The one thing I do like about the Polish ammo is it would appear it is still in the original spam cans but the price at Le Baron is pretty hard to resist!
The ammo in question has been repackaged (probably thanks to NRCAN
I just picked up 300 rounds.
Went ahead and opened the boxes and affixed the rounds to stripper clips (saved from the Czech surplus I still have copious amounts of), and placed them in my ammo canister ready for the range.
It would take a severe amount of humidity and moisture to render this ammunition useless.
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Sheeesh ...... read the whole thread! The issue I was referring to is looooong term storage (as in years)! Any milsurp ammo should be able to handle short term exposure (even short submersion) to be battle field ready. I'm not worried about stuff I'll shoot in the next year or two ...... I'm thinking about stuff my son will inherit when I'm gone and 7.62x39 is in the same situation as what 303 Brit is now!
The bullets in the case I bought are stamped as 539 at the top and 64 at the bottom. The bullet casing is steel copper washed. The bullet jacket is steel and also copper wash.
The bullet and primer have an apparent red seal around them... probably to seal out moisture, and would have lasted a 100 years in the original canister, but since the narcs have f**ked with them... short term storage shouldnt be a problem but for long term storage I would vacuum seal them in a heavy plastic and put them in sealed containers.
These will be the first ones I fire off as they are the oldest that I have in my arsenal. 
The bullet and primer have an apparent red seal around them... probably to seal out moisture, and would have lasted a 100 years in the original canister, but since the narcs have f**ked with them... short term storage shouldnt be a problem but for long term storage I would vacuum seal them in a heavy plastic and put them in sealed containers.
These will be the first ones I fire off as they are the oldest that I have in my arsenal.
I'm pretty sure no one here (myself included) had the sense you were looking that far into the future. You're looking to put this ammo away for your kid? I would rather be paying attention to the state of the price index, world peace, the next Maple Leaf playoff berth and what my investments will yield for my kids (if I had any) than worrying about storing ammo and its condition in the next decade.
I guess your priorities are just different.But I digress. This ammo will be fine. Just shoot it.
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I'm pretty sure no one here (myself included) had the sense you were looking that far into the future. You're looking to put this ammo away for your kid? I would rather be paying attention to the state of the price index, world peace, the next Maple Leaf playoff berth and what my investments will yield for my kids (if I had any) than worrying about storing ammo and its condition in the next decade.
But I digress. This ammo will be fine. Just shoot it.
Ok, maybe I misspoke (I did say loooooong) but I know the ammo will be fine for the short term & I should have been more specific but I see the SKS as the Enfields of my sons generation. Inexpensive rifles (I won't say cheap) in quantity with plenty of surplus ammo available. That's why I cant help but wish I had found a few sealed crates of 303 stashed away when my Dad passed. I've seen ammo that everyone thought had a bottomless supply come & go. I remember going to the gun store as a kid & buying 303 by the pound. I know there are better long term worries and investments (both of which I have ...... mostly worries). I have shot & do plan to shoot lots more of this ammo but socking some away in the bunker for a rainy day is always prudent (especially at this price!). I have several solder sealed Czech crates I'm not concerned with but I like the idea of the copper wash as opposed to lacquered so it bums me out that we didn't get the spam cans (never mind the useless waste of time, energy etc with all those labels). I like the spam cans since it has all the original production info stenciled on it too! Too bad the price of the Polish ammo Marstar has in spam cans isn't down around the price of this stuff or I'd scoop some of that!
Anyways .... sorry if I may have overreacted .... wasn't my intent!
By the way .... GO LEAFS GO!!!
I have ammo that is in military cases that is 30 years old. One never knows if ammo will be shot right away or collect dust. Mlitary packaging is expensive because it has to be able to with stand outside storage conditions, as would be found in some battlefield situations.
For that reason I too am bummed that we have paid someone to destroy the sealed spam cans and glue on stupid lables. NARCAN could have insisted on just a lable on the big case with the proviso the case had to be sold intact at retail.
I happened to have some of the large ammo cans. These are a size larger than the 50 cal cans. Don't know what came in them. 20mm, maybe? Anyway, each holds a full wooden case of ammo.
For that reason I too am bummed that we have paid someone to destroy the sealed spam cans and glue on stupid lables. NARCAN could have insisted on just a lable on the big case with the proviso the case had to be sold intact at retail.
I happened to have some of the large ammo cans. These are a size larger than the 50 cal cans. Don't know what came in them. 20mm, maybe? Anyway, each holds a full wooden case of ammo.
go buy these....and not worry about it anymore
10 bucks each at Le Barons
this is what I am talking about
http://www.mtmcase-gard.com/products/shooting/ammocans-ac50c.html
They are even stackable, don't rust, you can lock them, I have 6 already
10 bucks each at Le Barons
this is what I am talking about
http://www.mtmcase-gard.com/products/shooting/ammocans-ac50c.html
They are even stackable, don't rust, you can lock them, I have 6 already
I just picked up my pre-paid crate at the Mississauga store. I spied a few cases near the cashier so I bought another
I have near 3000 rounds now and will be sorry one day for not buying more at these great prices.
I have two Russians that need to be fed... what was I thinking?.
Ps, save youre stripper clips, they may come in handy if they continue shipping ammo in these small 20 rd boxes, and you like reloading with them as I do.
sly mantis
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had a chance to shoot a few of these today with my cz858. Fire a few rounds of this stuff and some of the czech stuff back to back.
It felt like it kicked harder than the czech stuff in my opinion. Seemed like it was grouping decently too. Im a new shooter and i was shooting a 15.5in cz858 at 100yrds so accuracy will be subjective as it appeared all my rounds were shooting low.
It felt like it kicked harder than the czech stuff in my opinion. Seemed like it was grouping decently too. Im a new shooter and i was shooting a 15.5in cz858 at 100yrds so accuracy will be subjective as it appeared all my rounds were shooting low.
I was getting better groups today as well. Keep in mind I was firing at 40m, stock iron sights ... but each peep through the spotting scope proved otherwise. I need to fire a few more groups until I make claim that I like this ammo better
smells 'better' too or should I say different as the Czech surplus stinks.
