LWRC SABR rifle pics
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Cap 325,
Agreed if this rifle is classified as non restricted. If not...
The piston.
1)Advantage cleaning and life of the parts in the receiver.
Disadvantage
1)A .308 is a DM weapon so the real advantages of the piston design won't be used. IE fast shooting semi auto or full auto.
2) Possibly not as accurate (there is speculation that the piston by design creates barrel harmonics etc, thereby making them slightly less accurate)
3) More parts, more cost and more things to go wrong.
As for the rails.
Advantage
1) Will sit better in a sandbag etc for bench shooting
2) Looks "tactical"
3) More venting for cooling of the barrel
Disadvanges
1) Crap can get inside it a lot easier making it harder to keep clean
2) No real use for a .308 DM weapon
As for the rail uses. 75% as Ardent claimed will have a use for them. No not really, this is a DM weapon not a CQB rifle. The top rail for mounting maybe but the current flat tops offer enough real estate to mount almost anything anyways. The .308 AR rifles with bull barrels are around 12 pounds (full size 24 inch barrel). Now add on optics, rings/mounts and a full magazine. The mags are bigger and the bullets are heavier. You have a heavy rifle. The bull barrel on these things is also a lot heavier than the .223 ones. Add on a bunch of "tactical" stuff on the front and that .308 better be full auto just to lift the muzzle up to get it on target.
Agreed if this rifle is classified as non restricted. If not...
The piston.
1)Advantage cleaning and life of the parts in the receiver.
Disadvantage
1)A .308 is a DM weapon so the real advantages of the piston design won't be used. IE fast shooting semi auto or full auto.
2) Possibly not as accurate (there is speculation that the piston by design creates barrel harmonics etc, thereby making them slightly less accurate)
3) More parts, more cost and more things to go wrong.
As for the rails.
Advantage
1) Will sit better in a sandbag etc for bench shooting
2) Looks "tactical"
3) More venting for cooling of the barrel
Disadvanges
1) Crap can get inside it a lot easier making it harder to keep clean
2) No real use for a .308 DM weapon
As for the rail uses. 75% as Ardent claimed will have a use for them. No not really, this is a DM weapon not a CQB rifle. The top rail for mounting maybe but the current flat tops offer enough real estate to mount almost anything anyways. The .308 AR rifles with bull barrels are around 12 pounds (full size 24 inch barrel). Now add on optics, rings/mounts and a full magazine. The mags are bigger and the bullets are heavier. You have a heavy rifle. The bull barrel on these things is also a lot heavier than the .223 ones. Add on a bunch of "tactical" stuff on the front and that .308 better be full auto just to lift the muzzle up to get it on target.
Steady reliability as well. 308 AR's are notoriously unreliable ever since they stopped following the real AR10.
Just because you decide its a DM because thats how you use yours isn't relevant. G3's and FAL's have been used as assault rifles for a very long time and still are to this day. With a standard contour barrel this gun will be no different.
Speculation by people with DI gas systems. Its also speculation because the comparisons are 0.1" differences
When was the last time you remember a gun going WRONG because it HAD a piston?
I guess you know better then the US and Canadian armed forces
I undstand there were some magazine issues etc with some of the manufacturers using different mags. However I haven't heard of any "reliability" issues with the current serving .308 rifles. I could be wrong on that though. Perhaps someone with some experience using this rifle could let us know.
The .308 is currently used as a DM weapon by the Canadian military. At one time muskets were king, perhaps you could find some militia in a 3rd world country to help support the point that it's a "good" modern military weapon. Times change. There are advantages to the .223 just as there are with the .308. The current theory is that the .223 while being lighter, allowing more ammo etc is more suitable for the general duties of today's "modern" soldier rather than the .308. The .308 has been serving as a DM marksman weapon for this exact reason rather than the mainstay. Police forces have also been using the .308 for a similiar purpose/reason (RCMP .308 winchester M70). ERT, uses 9mm HK MP5, AR rifles in .223 for entry teams. The .308 is used for snipers and DM.
Speculation by people with DI gas systems. Its also speculation because the comparisons are 0.1" differences
Hopefully we'll get a chance to see. I know what people are getting with the current .308 AR rifles. If this one is equivalent or better then that's a great thing.
That's true.About the only good point in your post so far.
I guess you know better then the US and Canadian armed forces
You don't see the crazy rail systems like the ones on the pictures above with Canadian rifles. Small spot at the fronts for extras but again most likely to be practical with the .223. Especially the CQB. Even the rails on Canadian guns aren't open designed like the ones above. Nor do they go the entire length of the rifle. If you look at the C7CT or C8CT you don't see lots of rails.
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So even a 12" model from a different company must be a DM rifle! Great logic.
Paper horse. Just because its modern it has to only serve the purpose you feel fit. That makes sense.
I guess the FN MAG must be a DMR too because thats the only roll the military has for a gun in this caliber!
http://www.sfu.ca/casr/101-rifle-ar10t-mrs.htm
Yes IR lasers have no need for mounting space, or let alone mounting that balances them to the rifle...Yes I see it now
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Because this rifle has features some people don't need, doesn't mean some people don't need those features.
Does look like a fine sporting rifle though.
Does look like a fine sporting rifle though.
Scarecrow, it's the role the military is using for the .308 for a reason. So I guess the tables are reveresed on that one, because you seem to know better than the military. There you go I'll even use the same symbol you did.
Have you even fired a .308 AR? I ask because you're insulting posts really tell me that you've never even picked one up. Go try one out, compare it to the .223 in weight, recoil etc. Also give a 9mm a try. You'll probably come to the same conclusions that 9mm awsome for tactical entry situations, .223 decent all around, .308 excellent for DM operations. The same concepts that the military and police have been using for a while now.
Again if you haven't picked one up, please don't try to insult me. I really get the feeling Scarecrow that you haven't.
Absoluty the weapon can be used for other purposes. I can hunt Prairie dogs with a .338. It's going to get expensive and isn't really appropriate for the job but I can do it. Still the .204, .223, 22-250 would be
1) a lot more fun
2) a more appropriate firearm/cartridge
3) Less expensive
You guys have fun with that 12.5"
There you go I'll even use the same symbol you did. Have you even fired a .308 AR? I ask because you're insulting posts really tell me that you've never even picked one up. Go try one out, compare it to the .223 in weight, recoil etc. Also give a 9mm a try. You'll probably come to the same conclusions that 9mm awsome for tactical entry situations, .223 decent all around, .308 excellent for DM operations. The same concepts that the military and police have been using for a while now.
Again if you haven't picked one up, please don't try to insult me. I really get the feeling Scarecrow that you haven't.
Absoluty the weapon can be used for other purposes. I can hunt Prairie dogs with a .338. It's going to get expensive and isn't really appropriate for the job but I can do it. Still the .204, .223, 22-250 would be
1) a lot more fun
2) a more appropriate firearm/cartridge
3) Less expensive
You guys have fun with that 12.5"
Knock it off!!! THe military uses shoeboxes that shoot missiles!! And the cops use sling shots that throw donuts!!
Scarecrow, it's the role the military is using for the .308 for a reason. So I guess the tables are reveresed on that one, because you seem to know better than the military.
Have you even fired a .308 AR? I ask because you're insulting posts really tell me that you've never even picked one up. Go try one out, compare it to the .223 in weight, recoil etc. Also give a 9mm a try. You'll probably come to the same conclusions that 9mm awsome for tactical entry situations, .223 decent all around, .308 excellent for DM operations. The same concepts that the military and police have been using for a while now.
Again if you haven't picked one up, please don't try to insult me. I really get the feeling Scarecrow that you haven't.
Absoluty the weapon can be used for other purposes. I can hunt Prairie dogs with a .338. It's going to get expensive and isn't really appropriate for the job but I can do it. Still the .204, .223, 22-250 would be
1) a lot more fun
2) a more appropriate firearm/cartridge
3) Less expensive
You guys have fun with that 12.5"
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"Insurgent to Virgins 7.62mm NATO Teleportation Device". LOL. That's hilarious.
If they show that advertising to the RCMP though it might end up Restricted.
So now I suppose I'm waiting for either a Tavor, XCR, or the Teleportation device (if it's non-res). I'm having a hard time trying to decide between one of these rifles. I might just take the first one to actually make it to Canada.
If they show that advertising to the RCMP though it might end up Restricted.
So now I suppose I'm waiting for either a Tavor, XCR, or the Teleportation device (if it's non-res). I'm having a hard time trying to decide between one of these rifles. I might just take the first one to actually make it to Canada.
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