I think that reveal and the tax reveal from CA is what made MM ditch them. The headache to sell to us is worth it to them since they arent selling well in the US.
M+M CEO Considered Pulling M10X Rifle From Canada After Brouhaha - CDN Gun Blog
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I think that reveal and the tax reveal from CA is what made MM ditch them. The headache to sell to us is worth it to them since they arent selling well in the US.
So... and this is something I am still investigating... according to what M+M is saying, and confirmed through Can Am before this whole brouhaha, the rifle being sold in Canada is an upgraded version of what was being sold in the US that you are basing your pricing from.
I do not know at this time whether that is true or not, but I don't think anyone does yet.
So if that is true, then the pricing of the Canadian "upgraded" (I use that term with no way of backing that up yet) rifle would be higher than the $1000 you are quoting.
I do not know at this time whether that is true or not, but I don't think anyone does yet.
So if that is true, then the pricing of the Canadian "upgraded" (I use that term with no way of backing that up yet) rifle would be higher than the $1000 you are quoting.
Of course it is...the DMR version lol.
DMR safety, DMR lightweight free flow gas block, DMR finish, DMR rifling, DMR mag release...
Upgraded is as horse#### as the DMR marketing.
Tell M&M for me that he can go #### sand next time you are hugging his nuts, and quit trying to justify his price gouging, makes you look like a traitor or in collusion with him somehow.
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But the questions that need to be nagged amongst others -
But why "upgrade"? What was the incentive? Why make their price point higher? Why alter their MFG process that was already running? They had their sales info from the States, they had some sample data from WS "pre-sale".
Why not introduce it at a price that would sell, then offer a dialed up option once you had established traction (or not)? It just seems backwards?
Unless you consider that the whole DMR nonsense was simply marketing and justification.
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Well if you can't see that I am only truth-seeking, that's on you.
I'm not the one calling anyone names on an internet forum.
That is the million-dollar question isn't it?
I don't know. Unless someone can put the current US version side-by-side with the "upgraded" Canadian version, we won't know.
I have thought about asking M+M directly about the upgrades, but it would be impossible to weigh their answer as truth without someone comparing the two in hand. It very well could be how US companies market their Canadian version to cover up the Non-Restricted Tax. Let's be honest, we all know there is one, this one just so happened to be publicized it appears.
Frankly I do think that M+M had a tough time competing in the US. They have access to all sorts of firearms down there we do not, and their competition is steep- and cheap. There are few other comparable rifles up here, I constantly point to the CSA Vz 58 that is now $13-1400... that is outrageous to me. I paid $799 for a CSA VZ only a few years ago. Yet no outrage? Because it was not as public of an increase.
A couple goes into a Honda dealership and sees a half-decent sedan. The price is okay, maybe not worth it, but they can live with it. They got ready to buy the car.
In comes a dude and his hat brim is flat and canted to the side. "I'd pay anything for that!" The sales man instantly doubles the price adding that "The tail pipe is race spec'd". It's the same car.
"Shut up n take my mohnay!"
"Sold!"
The couple looks at each other and mouths the obvious. "What a bunch of #######s." The flat brimmer got the message.
"Shut up you poor #ss mother####ers."
In comes a dude and his hat brim is flat and canted to the side. "I'd pay anything for that!" The sales man instantly doubles the price adding that "The tail pipe is race spec'd". It's the same car.
"Shut up n take my mohnay!"
"Sold!"
The couple looks at each other and mouths the obvious. "What a bunch of #######s." The flat brimmer got the message.
"Shut up you poor #ss mother####ers."
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Thats a good quote to point out the fact that clearly NS was going to charge WS more for the rifles then $1450. WS didnt want to lose any money so they backed out of the pre sale. pretty simple.
Wouldn't have been the case if he didn't want to F*** us with the below...
I don't like Hogue Grips. Why would I pay someone to polish pieces I can polish myself? I don't care about the quick release charging handle or the safety lever.
Why not listen to input from a potential customer vs trying to sell them something they don't want @ a higher price saying "its better now" & completely loose out on a sale.
If they would have flooded the Canadian market with the original configuration @ the original price etc.. there wouldn't have been an issue... I do not feel we, the potential customer is to blame for being mad. I don't think the Canadian Retailers should be blamed either. This whole situation falls 100% on M&M for failing to provide a proper product @ a proper price point to build and secure a loyal customer base in Canada.
i think WS should have honored their presale. I think they would have gained a cult following and made the money back in the end.
The only party involved in this that is free of any wrongdoing is CA.
I think it's obvious and your last line nails it.
DMR bull#### was a marketing cash grab attempt because M+M thinks Canadian shooters are stupid and gullible. If someone wants to buy the gun then buy it but don't s*it in our hand and tell us it's ice cream. It's like jacking up the price of a condor chest rig and saying navy seal threads are used.
M+M had to of greased the palm of the editor of TheGunBlog.ca real good have them post that sh*t in the blog. The azzhole at TheGunBlog.ca must have been bought off, maybe M+M is giving him a free rifle to publish that crap...
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I could be miss-reading this, but you're saying that despite floundering US sales, they decided to make their non-selling, already expensive platform even more expensive, simply because it was pre-planned?
I guess that could be true, but would strike me as a terrible business plan.
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