M+M CEO Considered Pulling M10X Rifle From Canada After Brouhaha - CDN Gun Blog
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Not doing well is an understatement. That video is Hillary Clinton on election night, holy ####.
"precision rifle" with DMR safety getting a 4 inch group at 100 yards from a bench rest and hornady ammo.
Im not sure why you would by any rifle when accuracy isn't a strong point, let alone one that's marketed as being a DMR precision one.
Anyone interested in that rifle outta watch the first 7 minutes of that video..
"precision rifle" with DMR safety getting a 4 inch group at 100 yards from a bench rest and hornady ammo.
Im not sure why you would by any rifle when accuracy isn't a strong point, let alone one that's marketed as being a DMR precision one.
Anyone interested in that rifle outta watch the first 7 minutes of that video..
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sorry, but there are retailers that don't do stuff like this.
I own two businesses myself, reason they do well is because I don't pull the crap the others do and just brush it off like you just did by saying "that's the way it is in *******"
And if it was the owner? Who wrote the Wanstalls sales pitch on the M+M presale which said similar that was already posted in this thread?
I hold my employees accountable if they tell my customers lies, but hey, Wanstalls is staying silent now, speaks volumes
Travis Bickle
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Upper Lower Middle Alberta
Seems like it isn't all that bad of a rifle from the video to be honest. It ran pretty reliably in all aspects aside from having a fistful of sand jammed into the trigger mech.
There are very few rifles that will function properly after being buried in sand like that. The AR15 is actually one of the few rifles that do this very well due to the tightly sealed upper and lower receiver not allowing anything inside. Even with the ejection port open, tolerances are so tight almost nothing can get in.
Even actual Kalashnikov designs would malfunction exactly the same without clearing the grit from the action after being buried like that. There's numerous videos on the web demonstrating this.
Also, who really cares what a rifle does when you bury it in sand? I'm not going to be fighting Rommel in the deserts of North Africa....
That being said, not that bad of a rifle for $1200 in my opinion. Not for $2K + or whatever they are going to try and bleed us for it now. Forget it.
If I still actually had any interest in sloppy bullet hose combloc blaster sticks I would put my dollars on the new T81 for $1K. That's rugger value right there!
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[QUOTEb=223762;14280301]its definitely not a battle proven rifle. It doesn't do very well in this video.
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I have no interest in one of these rifles, and these "torture test" videos are kinda fun, but somewhat stupid for the average consumer.
None of us are going to shovel sand on our rifles. Even in military operations, you may get some sand and grime in your rifle but nobody is going to intentialy bury them.
I'm sure that if I buried one of my custom bolt action rifles in sand it may not perform properly until it was cleaned out. These are rifles that have been dragged all over BC in all kinds of weather, on horseback, through mud, rivers, mountaintops etc. They still perform.
Why would any recreational shooter would give a schit about the performance of a rifle after being buried in sand?
I have no interest in one of these rifles, and these "torture test" videos are kinda fun, but somewhat stupid for the average consumer.
None of us are going to shovel sand on our rifles. Even in military operations, you may get some sand and grime in your rifle but nobody is going to intentialy bury them.
I'm sure that if I buried one of my custom bolt action rifles in sand it may not perform properly until it was cleaned out. These are rifles that have been dragged all over BC in all kinds of weather, on horseback, through mud, rivers, mountaintops etc. They still perform.
Why would any recreational shooter would give a schit about the performance of a rifle after being buried in sand?
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I have no interest in one of these rifles, and these "torture test" videos are kinda fun, but somewhat stupid for the average consumer.
None of us are going to shovel sand on our rifles. Even in military operations, you may get some sand and grime in your rifle but nobody is going to intentialy bury them.
I'm sure that if I buried one of my custom bolt action rifles in sand it may not perform properly until it was cleaned out. These are rifles that have been dragged all over BC in all kinds of weather, on horseback, through mud, rivers, mountaintops etc. They still perform.
Why would any recreational shooter would give a schit about the performance of a rifle after being buried in sand?[/QUOTE]
whether i'm going to do it or not, i still prefer proven reliability myself.
I have no interest in one of these rifles, and these "torture test" videos are kinda fun, but somewhat stupid for the average consumer.
None of us are going to shovel sand on our rifles. Even in military operations, you may get some sand and grime in your rifle but nobody is going to intentialy bury them.
I'm sure that if I buried one of my custom bolt action rifles in sand it may not perform properly until it was cleaned out. These are rifles that have been dragged all over BC in all kinds of weather, on horseback, through mud, rivers, mountaintops etc. They still perform.
Why would any recreational shooter would give a schit about the performance of a rifle after being buried in sand?[/QUOTE]
whether i'm going to do it or not, i still prefer proven reliability myself.
Travis Bickle
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Upper Lower Middle Alberta
Why would any recreational shooter would give a schit about the performance of a rifle after being buried in sand?[/QUOTE]
Oh bro, come on! There's a lot of armchair assaulters out there can do nothing but fantasize about getting into season 8 Walking Dead style 192 minute gun battles etc Imagine how red your face will be when you're trying to unjam your Lemat revolver after the TEOFTWAWKITZYPUTZ or whatever! Talk about bad consumer choices right?
If your rifle can't still fire after being filled with sand, zombie skin and delusional fantasies then there is no point in even owning it.
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its just a personal opinion i guess but i think having the receiver wide open around the bolt is a bad design and a rookie error on the manufactures part.
Edit: im not sure why my quotes are screwing up?.. oh fixed now.
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I can see these things being destined to become curios rifles like the Rob Arms M96 and the Famae SG542/540, except with even poorer manufacturer/distributor support (if that’s believable).
It seems to me that instead of evaluating what they cost to produce, market and distribute and adding a reasonable profit margin, the manufacturer and distributor are starting with what is the maximum threshold for profit margin.
There is no question that Canadian consumers have an appetite for the firearms and many have the disposable income to afford them, so the question becomes how many will swallow an unrealisticly inflated value and what is that number?
For that reason, I’m out.
It seems to me that instead of evaluating what they cost to produce, market and distribute and adding a reasonable profit margin, the manufacturer and distributor are starting with what is the maximum threshold for profit margin.
There is no question that Canadian consumers have an appetite for the firearms and many have the disposable income to afford them, so the question becomes how many will swallow an unrealisticly inflated value and what is that number?
For that reason, I’m out.
I guess you have a point.
I'm actually still trying to see the appeal of this rifle. I could maybe see the appeal in the $1000-1200 range, but even when Wanstalls offered it for $1450 I couldn't get excited about it. At $2000 it's like
But I will continue to believe that anyone that makes a decision on rifle reliabilty due to shoveling sand on it is a fool.
I guess you have a point.
I'm actually still trying to see the appeal of this rifle. I could maybe see the appeal in the $1000-1200 range, but even when Wanstalls offered it for $1450 I couldn't get excited about it. At $2000 it's like
But I will continue to believe that anyone that makes a decision on rifle reliabilty due to shoveling sand on it is a fool.
Anyone buying this rifle is not buying it for accuracy. what other then reliability would you want from it?
It doesn't do anything impressive.
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- Behind a large rock
I guess you have a point.
I'm actually still trying to see the appeal of this rifle. I could maybe see the appeal in the $1000-1200 range, but even when Wanstalls offered it for $1450 I couldn't get excited about it. At $2000 it's like
But I will continue to believe that anyone that makes a decision on rifle reliabilty due to shoveling sand on it is a fool.
I like to know a rifle will work if left out in the cold overnight. I suppose a Saharan ditch digger might want to know if his rifle works while covered in sand... I think it's about perspective.
