M+M CEO Considered Pulling M10X Rifle From Canada After Brouhaha - CDN Gun Blog
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shuraparabellum
CGN Regular
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- #### hole gta
No way Tavor and this rifle should be in the same price range, not even close..
Let me play Devil's advocate. Why not? Maybe Tavor can fill in the shoes of the rifle that fires cheap and commonly available 7.62x39? Of shoes of non-bullpup rifle with their design limitations?
I think price should be compared only for firearms that could be substitute for each other. Otherwise it's apple vs oranges.
That is very in line with what my sources in industry told me - Mickey wanted to jack up price specifically for Canadian market. WS and CA are not to blame, both wanted to come up with reasonable pricing. Mickey found NS who had no issues with slapping NR tax. Mickey is free to navigate the way he wants and set his price, because it's free market. We are free to buy or to ignore his products.
Crash54000
CGN Regular
- Location
- Lower Mainland
Ahhh now I see. Supply and demand. Ship small batches to stimulate the demand. Then raise the prices as the demand outstrips the supply. Interesting!!!
It's what he tried already in the US, and that failed miserably. One shop I was looking at had 5 in stock for $1050US 4 months ago, they now have 3 in stock... selling one rifle every 2 months isn't a glowing success rate.
Sadly, there still seems to be some blind MF's here that think these are a "deal" at $2k.
Feb 17th, 2017 Can AM writes:
A question from a poster: I'm in for one if the price reflects what I see them listed for in the US obviously converted to canadian. If possible I'll take Olive Drab or FDE please. I'm excited about this one
Can Ams answer:
Feb 19th, 2017:
October 8th, 2017- the day after Wanstalls pre-sale:
SOOOOOO why did I post all that? I did because it is very telling to me that there is consistency in the statements from Can Am and M+M on their believed Canadian pricing of this rifle, and even indicates the current rifle in the US will differ from the rifle we see in Canada. That to me speaks volumes when you later compare the statements of Wanstalls and M=M on the Wanstalls pre-order.
Again, feel free to not like the design of the rifle or the price, M+M certainly deserves some heat for some decisions they've made (such as cutting out Can Am and the DMR safety)... but Wanstalls added so much fuel to that fire with their pre-emptive pre-sale- made before Can Am and M+M seemed to even have been aware the FRT came in- that I do think people need to analyze the facts to direct their anger in the right direction.
- Location
- Durham Region
Paul, do you work for, or are you receiving funds or goods from M&M, either direct or indirect?
Respectfully.
ITB
Respectfully.
ITB
So CanAm was playing ball with M&M, not arguing price, just accepting it is what it is?
Again, this still boils down to MFM&M wanting twice the price in Canada regardless of who they deal with, which they ultimately got through the souless NS distribution deal.
I still blame MFM&M. These are not selling for $1000 in the US, he could have sold a few thousand units here at $1500 which STILL PUTS MORE MONEY IN HIS POCKET THEN US SALES ARE DOING, OR THAT THE $2K PRICE HERE WILL DO.
Just a stupid idiot with zero business sense trying to hock a fragile, inaccurate, pos as a DMR battle rifle.
#### MFM&M.
Again, this still boils down to MFM&M wanting twice the price in Canada regardless of who they deal with, which they ultimately got through the souless NS distribution deal.
I still blame MFM&M. These are not selling for $1000 in the US, he could have sold a few thousand units here at $1500 which STILL PUTS MORE MONEY IN HIS POCKET THEN US SALES ARE DOING, OR THAT THE $2K PRICE HERE WILL DO.
Just a stupid idiot with zero business sense trying to hock a fragile, inaccurate, pos as a DMR battle rifle.
#### MFM&M.
LOL
No, not in the least.
I hate seeing misinformation being quoted as truth. Like I said, M+M has stuff they should be pressed on, but the pre-sale debacle is not one of them. I put lots of weight on a company that comes out and lies in my future purchase decisions, and I have seen what I believe to be misinformation being emotionally thrown around that can hurt people's livelihoods down the road.
Things I have concerns with for M+M are:
-What happened to Can Am deal?
-Exactly what parts are different in the future Canadian model from the old US model?
Things I have concerns with Wanstalls are:
-Where's the email confirming the pre-sale price and timing from M+M? You took a month to throw out that M+M did give you the price... but that is completely inconsistent from what Can Am and M+M have said.
EDIT:
I should add this too:
-Where are all the people who back in February were crazy excited for this rifle and MANY stated $2k was ok?
You're quoting old CA posts with their estimation based on suggested M+M price and CA markup. I was talking about recent negotiations between M+M and CA and WS, when Canadian vendors had _new_ prices in US retail (~1000) on hands and were trying to convince Mickey not to be so greedy.
Source?
Can Am has publicly stated that once the FRT came in M+M had no more negotiations with them at all.
I have spoken to someone at M+M who has indicated that other Canadian distributors came to them wishing to sell for higher than $2k, but that $2k was always their goal.
The reason, again, for my quotes was to show a consistent storyline from both Can Am and M+M on pricing of the Canadian model of the M10x in Canada.
Can Am has publicly stated that once the FRT came in M+M had no more negotiations with them at all.
I have spoken to someone at M+M who has indicated that other Canadian distributors came to them wishing to sell for higher than $2k, but that $2k was always their goal.
The reason, again, for my quotes was to show a consistent storyline from both Can Am and M+M on pricing of the Canadian model of the M10x in Canada.
m+m don't raised the real price to distributor, NS has raised ( middle man need to be paid). Wanstall just don't make enough money in this situation and has dropped the deal, Wanstal to look ethical don't carry the m10x in futur,
p.Rundle
CGN frequent flyer
Why do you think it's acceptable for a company to sell a rifle at a higher price here to subsidize the fact that they can't sell them down south? We're not a piggybank to be dipped into when things don't go well in the US.
Our market is different from the US market... many rifles, including this one, are marked up beyond their retail value in the US. Doesn't take much of a search to see that. The Non-Restricted Tax is real, and M+M, and all Canadian dealers, know it.
To be mad at this specific rifle for a mark-up is hypocritical while saying nothing while buying others that are the same.
I don't like it, but I see it everywhere.
As an example, I just found a Bushmaster ACR on Gun Broker that comes with an Aimpoint Comp M4s and upgraded trigger, all new, for less than $100 off the price after conversion to CAD for a new Bushmaster ACR in Canada.
