M10X Canadian MSRP set
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*sigh*
Point out where either Wanstalls or Can Am stated M+M said the price was $1450. M+M didnt, Wanstalls even admitted it.
Well said!
I don't expect to have any warranty coverage on a 3rd Party Imported M10X. I highly doubt that North Sylva would perform warranty work on a 16" rifle that they didn't sell. Getting the rifle back down to M+M in the US would be the only option for warranty work.....which might actually be a better proposition than relying on North Sylva anyhow, based on their reputation!
Unfortunately this is commonly the case or worse. Just check out amazon.com vs amazon.ca for the same item, any item. The Canadian money grubbing no value added distribution system has sucked the life out of many industries. Thankfully "free market" alternatives pop up to fill the vacuum created.
The U.S. msrp of the dmr version is $1699 according to their website now... and since none have hit the market in the States yet the $999 is no longer comparable as we dont know the street price for these yet.
I will clarify that I do believe M+M has inflated the price, but I like to point to the facts of what happened.
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There are still some available in the US. 2 seconds on Google brought up Centerfire with 3 in stock for $1249, not the cheapest but still quite a way off $2000cad.
https://www.centerfiresystems.com/p-5213-m10x-762x39-side-folding-rifle.aspx
And seriously.... for about the 700th time, there is no DMR version, that is just complete bull#### marketing garbage. Exact same rifle with 2.5" more barrel. Literally ZERO additional cost to manufacture.
More digging and this might explain M&M financial troubles...seems Century had the Romanians put a stop to M&M WASR imports. That was their primary sales item it seems. M&M is likely tits up in less then a year at this rate.
https://www.centerfiresystems.com/p-5213-m10x-762x39-side-folding-rifle.aspx
And seriously.... for about the 700th time, there is no DMR version, that is just complete bull#### marketing garbage. Exact same rifle with 2.5" more barrel. Literally ZERO additional cost to manufacture.
More digging and this might explain M&M financial troubles...seems Century had the Romanians put a stop to M&M WASR imports. That was their primary sales item it seems. M&M is likely tits up in less then a year at this rate.
Right.. Im not debating the DMR thing... I posted this earlier:
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I also never debated that M+M did increase their prices... those listed for 1250 US (roughly 1600 CAD) were bought before M+M raised their MSRP.
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And you understand that raising it was simply smoke and mirrors....right?
The MSRP was only raised to save some face after the Wanstalls backstab and new NS deal. The rifle I just linked to is the exact same rifle they produce today. They sit on shelves for months at that price, nobody is buying them. The thread where I found that link was from March and it said they had 5 left....now they have 3.
$1250 is not a realistic street price in the US, they don't sell at that price. Even at $999 they were not flying off the shelves.
Raising the MSRP is just a feel good tactic for the suckers that buy these at jacked prices. Once the NS order is fulfilled, I'd bet M&M drops the US MSRP back to where it was $1250, or even lower.
$1250 is not a realistic street price in the US, they don't sell at that price. Even at $999 they were not flying off the shelves.
Raising the MSRP is just a feel good tactic for the suckers that buy these at jacked prices. Once the NS order is fulfilled, I'd bet M&M drops the US MSRP back to where it was $1250, or even lower.
You are comparing this rifles value entering the US market vs its value entering ours as non-restricted. Really is apples to oranges.
This was discussed ad nauseum before, I merely spoke up as there are some miscommunications about the facts being passed around.
This was discussed ad nauseum before, I merely spoke up as there are some miscommunications about the facts being passed around.
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I've been questioning the "DMR", and if its sole purpose is to skirt that? "it's a different product".
But I agree.
I've been a little vocal on my complaints with M+M and NS. Specifically with this pricing debacle, and how bad it's all smelled starting with Canada Ammo and Wanstalls. We don't know all the facts, but I do know that Canada Ammo and Wanstalls are reputable business that wouldn't intentional support the way things went down.
I also can't stand observations I've been making over the years, in our firearms industry, primarily around collusion (or so I think) in addition to charlatans with 'exclusives' and forced middle men bumping prices several times. We do have a unique demographic with peculiar laws, and it's often used as an excuse. Firearms in Canada are also very trendy and fashionable, mainly due to limited import verities.
Due to this we see stupid high pricing, on cheap import guns from Asia, Turkey - never Europe, with exorbitant pricing meant to make a quick buck. However, long term support always suffers, no parts supply, warranties are shotty, or we except and accept bad quality control. I've seen importers with 'exclusives' (in my opinion) jump in and snag deals that would have otherwise brought interesting firearms with fair pricing. One too many times ....
A little birdy has disclosed to me, that with NS and M10X, pricing is structured like so: NS sells to dealers at $1615 with an advertise price in stores of MSRP $2065. Now consider what true costs would be and with equitable marjins, less all the forced middle men and colluded NR tax.
I also can't stand observations I've been making over the years, in our firearms industry, primarily around collusion (or so I think) in addition to charlatans with 'exclusives' and forced middle men bumping prices several times. We do have a unique demographic with peculiar laws, and it's often used as an excuse. Firearms in Canada are also very trendy and fashionable, mainly due to limited import verities.
Due to this we see stupid high pricing, on cheap import guns from Asia, Turkey - never Europe, with exorbitant pricing meant to make a quick buck. However, long term support always suffers, no parts supply, warranties are shotty, or we except and accept bad quality control. I've seen importers with 'exclusives' (in my opinion) jump in and snag deals that would have otherwise brought interesting firearms with fair pricing. One too many times ....
A little birdy has disclosed to me, that with NS and M10X, pricing is structured like so: NS sells to dealers at $1615 with an advertise price in stores of MSRP $2065. Now consider what true costs would be and with equitable marjins, less all the forced middle men and colluded NR tax.
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And 1300$ Vz 58's that were $500 less only a couple years ago... or $2k Garands... there are lots of other firearm examples to draw on...
It's the EXACT SAME RIFLE WITH 2.5" EXTRA BARREL.
We don't "benefit" by being able to buy these, M&M does. There is no such thing as a "non restricted" premium (or tax), that's just a way idiot Canadian buyers try to justify getting ####ed because they want their new "toy" soo bad.
Hell non-res Beretta Storms use to be $1500, now Cabela's even sells them for $1050 (sale price) which is the same price the res version always was... and our $ is 30% lower then it was a few years ago.
And you can be upset about the pricing and not buy it. Our market is not the US market... would you pay $1300 for a Vz 58?
