M10X Canadian MSRP set

Am I the only one who that thinks the "DMR this" and "DMR that" in the revised list of selling features from M+M was actually meant as tongue-in-cheek humour? It may have been poor humour that missed the mark with many, but does anyone else believe that the entire "DMR" tallk was simply self-depreciating humour from M+M? That's my take on it, as there are simply too many outright silly aspects to the "revised" features for them to be anything but a lame joke that backfired because a bunch of overly-serious Canucks took them seriously. People on here keep trying to use those joke "DMR features" as proof of M+M's incompetence, when the joke is actually on them.....

While it could have been a possibility I think the review posted by NS clearly points to M+M is pushing a precision/DMR/Match marketing ploy. They're trying to sell that angle hard.

It will be interesting to see if a CGNer buys one of these rifles and posts an honest review of the gun.

If anyone is in the NCR/Petawawa area I'd be happy to test my XCR against one (and spring for drinks afterwards).



I did a quick look into the background of the guy writing the M10x's review. First thing that came up.
I am a creative director and advertising photographer living in Nashville, Tennessee. I create ad campaigns,
I don't feel he's exactly impartial.
 
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Yes, there is qualitative and quantitative difference here, and much more than just product quality. Brand has a part to play, but your reasoning really is a straw man. Not everyone just wants a run of the mill rifle for paper punching.



Ah, I see you've seriously bought the BS M+M is selling. This is clear.



It's affecting our market for sure, but our choices in doing business also matter. Vote with our wallets in this case and many of us are. Your choice. Vitriolic tone, really. Many people want to know the BS in our market, so calling it out is vitriolic and reflecting bad on us? My god man, what are you thinking? Sure some comments are over the top, but willingly putting up with this is supporting an amoral and collusive environment.

Your straw man argument, virtue signaling and social casting makes you sound like a hard core liberal.

Hardcore Liberal??? WOW.

Talk about typical straw man hollow responses.
 
I really didn't see or take it as humor, but I suppose it could have been. I know that American Business humour doesn't jive well in Canada or anywhere else, having done business world wide, it's fairly well known.

Now that you mention it, it would make sense given their former posts in response to Wanstalls retail price before any publicly acknowledged agreements.
Am I the only one who that thinks the "DMR this" and "DMR that" in the revised list of selling features from M+M was actually meant as tongue-in-cheek humour? It may have been poor humour that missed the mark with many, but does anyone else believe that the entire "DMR" tallk was simply self-depreciating humour from M+M? That's my take on it, as there are simply too many outright silly aspects to the "revised" features for them to be anything but a lame joke that backfired because a bunch of overly-serious Canucks took them seriously. People on here keep trying to use those joke "DMR features" as proof of M+M's incompetence, when the joke is actually on them.....
 
While it could have been a possibility I think the review posted by NS clearly points to M+M is pushing a precision/DMR/Match marketing ploy. They're trying to sell that angle hard.

It will be interesting to see if a CGNer buys one of these rifles and posts an honest review of the gun.

If anyone is in the NCR/Petawawa area I'd be happy to test my XCR against one (and spring for drinks afterwards).

I will certainly post an honest review. If it's crap, its crap. If it's gold, it's gold.
 
... That's my take on it, as there are simply too many outright silly aspects to the "revised" features for them to be anything but a lame joke that backfired because a bunch of overly-serious Canucks took them seriously. People on here keep trying to use those joke "DMR features" as proof of M+M's incompetence, when the joke is actually on them.....

I personally think, it is usual "Canucks are retarded yokels" humor so prevalent in US.
 
Well the ACR DMR rifle came with a bull barrel and prs style stock for 3400$!?!?!?

I recall IRG had the original ACR rifles for 1700$ US but no sense of entitlement there with people on that price!?!??!
 
The figure of $200 USD per copy that I quoted is FOB (Free On Board) from the port in China. You might want to read what I actually write the next time you try to criticize. Unlike some blow-hards on CGN, I take the time to actually read what others write and don't just make stuff up to support my own positions.

The $200 USD purchase price was quoted in a FB discussion some time ago, so I do not have a reference for you. You can choose to disbelieve what I've said so that the narrative better suits your emotional needs, however that won't change the basic economic facts of what Tactical Imports is doing. They are buying as cheap as possible from Norinco (or a subsidiary) and selling as high as they think the inflated Canadian retail firearms market will bear. They pay the freight FOB Port to Canada, GST and CBSA fees, freight from the Canadian Port to their warehouse and any other miscellaneous charges. In return, they jack the buying price fourfold (with the US/Canadian exchange rate factored in) and sell the $200 USD rifle to Canadian customers for $1000 CAD. What is so difficult to understand or believe about that?

Let's turn it around. Can you tell us that definitively that TI pays more than $200 USD per copy FOB Port from China? I don't think so. You are therefore talking out your @ss when you accuse me of the same. Put that in your pipe and choke on it.....

Give your head a shake. Facebook? Get your mom's basement checked for radon.

Ps: I don't need to justify sh!t. I'm not the one making outlandish claims about what TI paid for the rifles. You made the claim, you have to prove your dubious info. That's how it works, capiche?
 
Now that you mention it, it would make sense given their former posts in response to Wanstalls retail price before any publicly acknowledged agreements.

Those rather lame 'jokes" that M+M posted after the Wanstalls pre-sale kerfuffle are what got me to thinking that the whole "lightweight gas block with improved airflow" DMR shtick was just that - another sorry attempt at humour rather than a serious product pitch....

I haven't read the recent "review" that was posted. Perhaps the joke has become the official M+M party line? If so, I would find that somewhat insulting to my intelligence. Not so much that I wouldn't buy an M10X at a reduced price however....
 
Get your mom's basement checked for radon.

Bartok can fight his own battles but I gotta say if knew him in person you'd quickly realize how ridiculous this comment is.

We should endeavour to keep personal jabs out of this M10x stuff because at the end of the day we're all still firearm owners and Canadian.
 
We'll my issues lies somewhere in the quagmire, and business practices I've seen. That's why I'm choosing not to buy, even though at very first blush, it was an interesting take on design that could have potential. (but not at the new msrp)

The companies remarks, along with public postings paints a picture ... that isn't so good in my view.

The review article really wasn't a review (or so I think), but does talk up the DMR aspect, which boggles my mind at least.

I've recently obtained information on another drama that may be unfolding soon with NS.

Those rather lame 'jokes" that M+M posted after the Wanstalls pre-sale kerfuffle are what got me to thinking that the whole "lightweight gas block with improved airflow" DMR shtick was just that - another sorry attempt at humour rather than a serious product pitch....

I haven't read the recent "review" that was posted. Perhaps the joke has become the official M+M party line? If so, I would find that somewhat insulting to my intelligence. Not so much that I wouldn't buy an M10X at a reduced price however....
 
For me the marketing fiasco has run it's course .... now I'm just interested to hear some honest reviews from those who acquire one of these.
 
Bartok can fight his own battles but I gotta say if knew him in person you'd quickly realize how ridiculous this comment is.

We should endeavour to keep personal jabs out of this M10x stuff because at the end of the day we're all still firearm owners and Canadian.

I don't care to know him in person. Claiming a retailer is gouging with an $800 markup on a $1000 rifle is a serious accusation.

He should have to back that up with more than "I think I may have seen it on Facebook somewhere."

Or else admit he's making it up and apologize for spreading lies.

Reputations have been ruined for less.
 
Those rather lame 'jokes" that M+M posted after the Wanstalls pre-sale kerfuffle are what got me to thinking that the whole "lightweight gas block with improved airflow" DMR shtick was just that - another sorry attempt at humour rather than a serious product pitch....

I haven't read the recent "review" that was posted. Perhaps the joke has become the official M+M party line? If so, I would find that somewhat insulting to my intelligence. Not so much that I wouldn't buy an M10X at a reduced price however....

Sadly, I don't think NS has a sense of humor. Afaik they cut/paste that from the m&m website.
 
Let's keep it real for a moment; when you buy KAC, Noveske, BCM, etc. allot of that price is pure brand marketing, nothing else. This is no different than any other consumer product; your buying an image, philosophy, or a sense of "cool". I can understand the real or perceived "quality" argument in a market like the USA where the firearm has actual practical use, not just punching paper. From what I have seen, this rifle gets good grades, fits the image and functionality of what I want, I'm not naive or petulant enough to give mind to marketing ploys.

As for the cost; of course an innovatively designed new firearm from an independent company is going to have a larger price tag...they do not have the capital, market share, or brand recognition of larger makers. Had Wanstalls not prematurely ejaculated with their preorder pricing, which clearly was not finalized, I suspect none of this would have been an issue. My feeling is that in order for this rifle to come to market, M+M had to go with the biggest fish in the pond in terms of import capability to make it a viable venture for them, as a smaller manufacture, and still have enough meat on the bone for vendors to make a little profit. To think this rifle was going to retail for sub $1500 seemed ludicrous to me from the start, given the aforementioned.

Fellas, none of this will ever change until the government restrictions change.....attacking each other, posting garbage in the forums of good honest vendors, and just the pure unwarranted vitriolic tone that is permiating reflects poorly on our community.

This post shows you know absolutely nothing.
 
Give your head a shake. Facebook? Get your mom's basement checked for radon.

Ps: I don't need to justify sh!t. I'm not the one making outlandish claims about what TI paid for the rifles. You made the claim, you have to prove your dubious info. That's how it works, capiche?

Wrong again, numpty. I don't have to prove sh#t t to some loud-mouthed internet schmuck. How do you think retailers were able to sell Norinco M305s for $500 CAD just a few years ago? Do you honestly think that MAR#TAR ever paid more than $200 USD for one of those FOB from China? I'd say if anything, the M305 is more sophisticated and therefore costly to manufacture than the T81. Do the math, fool. If TI is paying more than $200 USD FOB China, then I'd say that they are getting ripped off.
 
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