M10x Unboxing

Bartok5 said:
The AK series doesn't have a Bolt Hold Open and seems to have done alright for itself in the world's various conflict zones. The same could to be said of the HK G3 and the MP5. I don't consider the lack of a Hold Open to be "lazy failure" on the part of Mikhail Kalashnikov or HK's engjneers, but YMMV. Last I checked, a Hold Open was a primarily North American/British Commonwealth affectation, not a prerequisite for a weapon's success in combat. At the end of the day, combat performance is the only thing that matters to the end-user...
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So what? Are you planning on going to war with your m10x?

And militaries have different requirements - mainly cost. As long as it's reliable and cheap it's perfect for spreading communism or capitalism across the world.

This is not that though. This is a modern gun designed for civilian gun owners. Not having a last round hold open is a deal breaker to some, whereas I don't think anyone would refuse to buy one just because it DID have a BHO. I feel like they dropped the ball with that feature(or lack of).
 
If I understand correct, the bolt just literally holds open against a part of the follower, right? Does that make mag changes any more difficult with the extra pressure on the mag? I know with my Swiss, I like to do the classic "flip mag release and the empty mag out with the new one" reload. Can you do that kind of a quick reload with the M10x, and does the bolt hold open follower make it more difficult, or no change?

I was swearing I wouldn't get one due to the M+M handling of the release, but man, it really is a good price point when compared to an XCR. And can you imagine one in 6.5 Grendel? Hmm.....
 
Suther said:
So what? Are you planning on going to war with your m10x?

And militaries have different requirements - mainly cost. As long as it's reliable and cheap it's perfect for spreading communism or capitalism across the world.

This is not that though. This is a modern gun designed for civilian gun owners. Not having a last round hold open is a deal breaker to some, whereas I don't think anyone would refuse to buy one just because it DID have a BHO. I feel like they dropped the ball with that feature(or lack of).
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If it had BHO it wouldn't be AK mags.... and that WOULD be a deal breaker for quite a lot of us.
 
Not familiar with ak mag rifles. Will any ak style mag work in this platform and what would you recommend for 5/30 mags.

So for the bho is it like a cz/vz or does it stay open until empty mag is removed, bolt closes, insert loaded mag and recycle action to chamber round?

Sorry for the newb questions but i have never handled a AK patterned rifle.
 
Suther said:
So what? Are you planning on going to war with your m10x?

And militaries have different requirements - mainly cost. As long as it's reliable and cheap it's perfect for spreading communism or capitalism across the world.

This is not that though. This is a modern gun designed for civilian gun owners. Not having a last round hold open is a deal breaker to some, whereas I don't think anyone would refuse to buy one just because it DID have a BHO. I feel like they dropped the ball with that feature(or lack of).
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You have a stunning propensity for missing the point. Not to mention stating the blindingly obvious. The omission of a BHO on the M10X was not an oversight. It was an inevitable result of the decision to make the rifle compatible with as wide a variety of AK mags as possible. No "ball was dropped". Your expectation of a Western feature on a rifle with strong Eastern design influences is simply unrealistic. If the deliberate lack of a BHO is a deal-breaker for you, then do not buy it. But to suggest that the M10X is somehow inferior because it omits a BHO is ludicrous.
 
Cheezz said:
Not familiar with ak mag rifles. Will any ak style mag work in this platform and what would you recommend for 5/30 mags.

So for the bho is it like a cz/vz or does it stay open until empty mag is removed, bolt closes, insert loaded mag and recycle action to chamber round?

Sorry for the newb questions but i have never handled a AK patterned rifle.
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Any european or chinese magazine is good to go, bakelites or circle 10 waffle mags are considered top tier but theyve been scarce for a while now. Contrary to their AR reputation, PMags are garbage. These style mags require metal lugs and feedlips.

The rifle has absolutely no BHO, the same as any AK. Yugo pattern magazines have a modified follower that blocks the bcg when empty. Removing the mag will close the bolt
 
$kull said:
Any european or chinese magazine is good to go, bakelites or circle 10 waffle mags are considered top tier but theyve been scarce for a while now. Contrary to their AR reputation, PMags are garbage. These style mags require metal lugs and feedlips.

The rifle has absolutely no BHO, the same as any AK. Yugo pattern magazines have a modified follower that blocks the bcg when empty. Removing the mag will close the bolt
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My Gen3 pmags with metal lip and lug work amazing but the original pmag AK mag isnt crap, just cant take a whole lot of abuse
 
Bartok5 said:
The AK series doesn't have a Bolt Hold Open and seems to have done alright for itself in the world's various conflict zones. The same could to be said of the HK G3 and the MP5. I don't consider the lack of a Hold Open to be "lazy failure" on the part of Mikhail Kalashnikov or HK's engjneers, but YMMV. Last I checked, a Hold Open was a primarily North American/British Commonwealth affectation, not a prerequisite for a weapon's success in combat. At the end of the day, combat performance is the only thing that matters to the end-user...
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AK, G3, MP-5 : All great guns that have seen their day.
Success in combat or on a civilian range, a bolt hold open device is a proven useful tool on a rifle, and all modern designs, this one included really ought to have them. Is it a deal breaker? Probably not for the vast majority of purchasers, but it is such a simple bit of engineering it really does leave one scratching their head wondering how it was missed or omission decided on.

mebiuspower said:
The 553 R does not have BHO.

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553R is another head scratcher. I'd wager a guess SA didn't even need to introduce new parts into the manufacturing process from the regular 550/551. Larry V. raises the exact reasons to introduce them into the gun, even if it doesn't work with certain or most mags, but I think they can or could have designed it to work for the most common mags or introduced a new one.

mchouvaev said:
If it had BHO it wouldn't be AK mags.... and that WOULD be a deal breaker for quite a lot of us.
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Any magazine with a follower can trip a BhO. The magic trick is to get it to work with the vast array of Ak mags that exist, or do the smart thing and either have it as a stand alone for locking the bolt back and not worry about last round hold open on the mag, or design it to work with a specific magazine.
 
$kull said:
Any european or chinese magazine is good to go, bakelites or circle 10 waffle mags are considered top tier but theyve been scarce for a while now. Contrary to their AR reputation, PMags are garbage. These style mags require metal lugs and feedlips.

The rifle has absolutely no BHO, the same as any AK. Yugo pattern magazines have a modified follower that blocks the bcg when empty. Removing the mag will close the bolt
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Thank you sir for the info much appreciated.
 
I wish our there was no gun discrimination and then free Canadians could just go out and buy an AK instead of trying to make other guns look like an AK..... :)

Still looking forward to a range report!
 
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