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VZ 58, 858 registration transfers

Alrighty everyone who currently made a tranfer or lately has made a transfer of the VZ rifles please post a date and province(s) for your latest transaction so we can see if anyone else has had issues or if this is just a case of Lazy CFO or Quebec CFO (mixture of lazy and stupid).

Thanks.

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Scarecrow said:
All the topics with johns post from what I see have been locked, and the search button on this forum even when used on rare occasions by people, is useless.

So how are people supposed to keep track?

So obviously getting people up to date isnt the idea of this thread, and all threads that did that are locked. Its all making sense now, this thread is just to inform people who already know to shut up.

Ahh its all getting clear now.
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They're locked so all the info and speculation is in one place.
 
I think that we should start making a fuss about this, contacting our MPs etc. I've already paid for my Type 97 from CanAm and that should give me some standing in that situation. The beauracracy needs to be told by the politicians that they cannot arbitrarily start harassing law abiding business owners and affecting their clientele just because they (the beaucrats) don't support the current government.
 
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I guess if the new VZ-58S were coming from a different source that would explain a lot. As has been stated before....it is all conjecture at this point unfortunately. It could be as simple as someone new at the desk deciding they don't like this new batch of evil killing machines hitting the streets of our beloved Nanny State. I reeeeeally like the look at that belt fed baby though!!!!!!!!!!:D
 
The CSSA is on this.

I don't have any more than that for you, sorry, but will inform once more info is released.

Once we get a bit more info, you should be contacting your MPs and expressing your dissatisfaction.

I think Johnone's post is basically accurate, but let's wait a bit.
 
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Originally Posted by johnone
GUNSLINGER;
"John, do you mean the VZ59's, VZ58's, or short VZ58's?"
The Vz-59 has "issues" which we will look into....
The VZ-58 variants have had their classification changed after the fact.

To answer your next question regarding imports, in this case we applied for new FRTs on the weapons six months before importing them, they were approved and new FRTs were issued by the CFC.
We applied for and were granted IICs to import same....
Once arrived the application for the import license was submitted to DFAIT and approved.
AFTER THEY WERE HERE the folks in Ottawa did a new determination on them and re-classified them prohibited.

"What gives them the right to change their minds half way through"
NOT halfway through, AFTER the fact.

IN SHORT, take all precautions, spend your money, import the goods, then have them banned for public sale.... Interesting precedent ?
John
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Thanks for the info. John.

This goes beyond sucking. It seems like an intentional attempt to disrupt your business and poke a finger in everyones eye. Let us know what you need, it's obvious there is a lot of support and help if needed.
 
Well, lets think of the logical reasons for this to have happened. Not to say it HAS to be a logical reason, but it would make more sense.

Fact: John has said that the new VZ58's have been reclassed as prohibited.
Fact: John has previously said that the new VZ58's have a different source of reciever than the previous ones.
Fact: Guns can't be prohibited "just because" and survive a legal challenge.
Fact: All recievers that were once full auto are always considered full auto, and prohibited.
Conjecture: John probably has a lot of money tied up in these guns and a legal challenge of an arbitrary ruling is likely.
Conjecture: Someone at the CFC/RCMP doesn't like all these "military style" rifles coming in, particularily cheap ones that are easily available on the open market.

Conclusion: Likely, someone at the CFC/RCMP either suspects that these guns are made from original full auto receivers, or has for other reasons alleged that these guns are made from original full auto recievers. If they are, they are prohibs. If they are not, they can probably waste a ****load of john's time and money, and try to play the game to make it too expensive and time consuming to fight him.

If, and only if, and when, we KNOW that is the case, then is where we can come in. If the guns are legal and the CFC/RCMP is merely trying to squeeze john/marstar out, then the letters, phone calls, etc start.

Right now we know SFA and action would be pointless, and possibly damaging.

T97 we know SO little about at this point there's no point even speculating on it.
 
Looks like they are also suffering from little green god syndrome, a condition where beauracrats get a form of power madness, and start holding everything in their jurisdiction to unreasonable standards. It is often seen among government inspectors as well.

My dad used "little green god syndrome" in reference to a health inspector who is known around the Kootenays as a real hard-a&&.
 
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well, lets think of the logical reasons for this to have happened. Not to say it has to be a logical reason, but it would make more sense.

Fact: John has said that the new vz58's have been reclassed as prohibited.
Fact: John has previously said that the new vz58's have a different source of reciever than the previous ones.
Fact: Guns can't be prohibited "just because" and survive a legal challenge.
Fact: All recievers that were once full auto are always considered full auto, and prohibited.
Conjecture: John probably has a lot of money tied up in these guns and a legal challenge of an arbitrary ruling is likely.
Conjecture: Someone at the cfc/rcmp doesn't like all these "military style" rifles coming in, particularily cheap ones that are easily available on the open market.

Conclusion: Likely, someone at the cfc/rcmp either suspects that these guns are made from original full auto receivers, or has for other reasons alleged that these guns are made from original full auto recievers. If they are, they are prohibs. If they are not, they can probably waste a ****load of john's time and money, and try to play the game to make it too expensive and time consuming to fight him.

If, and only if, and when, we know that is the case, then is where we can come in. If the guns are legal and the cfc/rcmp is merely trying to squeeze john/marstar out, then the letters, phone calls, etc start.

Right now we know sfa and action would be pointless, and possibly damaging.

T97 we know so little about at this point there's no point even speculating on it.
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well said!!!!
 
The previously sold VZ-58's and CZ-858 are NOT affected by this, as far as I can tell. I recently bought a VZ-58S and my transfer was approved a week ago. I resold it on Monday this week and I just called the CFC a few minutes ago to initiate the transfer processes and they gave me a reference number for it. They said nothing about any reclassification.

So this does not affect the old guns, just the new ones that Marstar has imported. It means there will be no new supply of VZ-58’s for the time being till this is cleared up.

The process to prohibit existing guns is different, from what I know.
 
From Marstars site:
Now, thanks to Marstar Canada, a ‘civilian legal’ version incorporating a purpose built semi-automatic only receiver has been imported for the Canadian market! Our VZ-58S carbine is produced by the original manufacturer and is identical to the original military issue VZ-58 in every detail with the sole exception being use of a special semi-auto receiver which cannot accept full-auto fire control components.

Maybe the receivers on these rifles were not what Marstar expected them to be?
 
K-2 said:
The previously sold VZ-58's and CZ-858 are NOT affected by this, as far as I can tell. I recently bought a VZ-58S and my transfer was approved a week ago. I resold it on Monday this week and I just called the CFC a few minutes ago to initiate the transfer processes and they gave me a reference number for it. They said nothing about any reclassification.

So this does not affect the old guns, just the new ones that Marstar has imported. It means there will be no new supply of VZ-58’s for the time being till this is cleared up.

The process to prohibit existing guns is different, from what I know.
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Hey now there's some factual first hand information. Thanks for sharing!!!!!!
 
STEVO;
"We've all seen johnone post here and he often leaves confusing impressions in his wake"

Come on now, everybody was asking for an update, I gave out the information I have, it is accurate, it is official, it is true....

The re classification is for our new series of variants of the VZ-58s, NOT the VZ 58s previously imported....
John
 
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