Milsurp postal match-Rules p.4!
- Thread starter ollie
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A couple more questions:
1) Can we use "bubbas"? I would think so.
2) I have a Mosin M-44 made in 1955 (Radom). Is the "pre-'55" date set in concrete? Well, if so, it's my own fault for not having a pre-war 1891/30...
1) Can we use "bubbas"? I would think so.
2) I have a Mosin M-44 made in 1955 (Radom). Is the "pre-'55" date set in concrete? Well, if so, it's my own fault for not having a pre-war 1891/30...
Now that spring might be coming, might be time to start getting this organized. Just a thought about the requirement for milsurp ammunition - this will just about eliminate some rifles. There is essentially no supply of shootable original ammunition for some rifles.
For the ammunition question, lets just limit it to anything that is available through retail. This would include any factory ammo you can find, or any milsurp ammo you can find. Basically this just excludes handloads.
Also, you should have to list the ammo you used on your target when it's submitted.
Also, you should have to list the ammo you used on your target when it's submitted.
Bittermansbro
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- Calgary, AB
WHat a great idea ollie et al who have contributed.
I would be hip to that jive and whilst I don't expect great groups, this is one of those things that would really be in the spirit of CGN.
Klunk, I like the idea of a PDF target, then there is some consistency with the shoot, the picture and the reporting to the forum.
I would be hip to that jive and whilst I don't expect great groups, this is one of those things that would really be in the spirit of CGN.
Klunk, I like the idea of a PDF target, then there is some consistency with the shoot, the picture and the reporting to the forum.
NB.nagantsniper
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- northern nb
ok best plan...................keep rules, an regulations simple an clear as possible ......so far .....milsurp rifle, , ok, ammo as per retail / surplus,ok,
100m distance at klunks tgt type, ok, 3 groups of 5 shots as mentioned, ok, open /iron sites....ok, ............ so far, all agreed?? /?
100m distance at klunks tgt type, ok, 3 groups of 5 shots as mentioned, ok, open /iron sites....ok, ............ so far, all agreed?? /?
- Location
- Hamilton, Ontario
Okay, I'm in, just printed 10 of the supplied targets.
So let me get this straight:
My weapon of choice: 1952 Hungarian Mosin - Hungarian 179gr surplus bullets - Iron Sights
100 meters
3 positions: Stand, Bench, Prone (this one might be hard - I don't want to get dirty and Silverdale is going to be a mess if its above 0 tomorrow (Saturday))
5 shots each position
I'll post them up on Sunday in this thread. If I'm not lazy than Saturday afternoon. I'll also get my friend with a k98 to give it a shot.
Ralli
PS. If I don't post anythign that means I need stronger glasses!!!
So let me get this straight:
My weapon of choice: 1952 Hungarian Mosin - Hungarian 179gr surplus bullets - Iron Sights
100 meters
3 positions: Stand, Bench, Prone (this one might be hard - I don't want to get dirty and Silverdale is going to be a mess if its above 0 tomorrow (Saturday))
5 shots each position
I'll post them up on Sunday in this thread. If I'm not lazy than Saturday afternoon. I'll also get my friend with a k98 to give it a shot.
Ralli
PS. If I don't post anythign that means I need stronger glasses!!!
- Location
- West coast of Vancouver Island
Tiriaq, Those rifles which have unobtainable ammo could shoot under the reload or factory ammo catagory.
Ollie, Since it is your suggestion. Have you thought of a time frame? Do you want to organize this by yourself? If you need assistance just ask and I am sure that you will get volunteers. Could you flesh out the catagories and post for imput/critique? Good idea for match!
SW
Ollie, Since it is your suggestion. Have you thought of a time frame? Do you want to organize this by yourself? If you need assistance just ask and I am sure that you will get volunteers. Could you flesh out the catagories and post for imput/critique? Good idea for match!
SW
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I've shot in a few postal matches and they're quite a bit of fun! I'd suggest that we keep it simple though! How about Match Rifle (or Bubba'd) with hand loads and Service Rifle with milsurp or commercial ammo. Slow fire prone and off hand at 100 yards or meters. The down loaded targets, such as off the Palma sight are good for prone or off a bench but lack a little in off hand, too small. You'd really need a full size target here. Might want to consider a standard SR1 target. As far as results, I would suggest posting a picture or mailing in (postal match) the target showing something like this for group size or score.
What ever targets we use should be mailed into an orginizer and then the results posted.
HTH,
rifle guy
What ever targets we use should be mailed into an orginizer and then the results posted.
HTH,
rifle guy
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Postal Shoot Rules(1st draft)
Ok, so after a bit of collaboration and several beers with a fellow nut, I have come up with "THE RULES". As follows:
1)Rifle: any milsurp, manufactured 1955 and prior(or by permission). If you're not sure, ask. Sorry guys, in the spirit of the milsurp competition, bubba's are not invited.
2)Action:Anything. Bolt, straight pull, semi auto, whatever. No restrictions.
3)Sights: Original military issue ONLY. Iron sights only, no optics or spotting scopes.
4)Shooting Position: Bench top, front support only(i.e. sandbag). Slings are OK, but otherwise no rear supports permitted.
5)Ammo: Commercial loads or milsurp only. Handloads may be considered by special permission for "unobtanium" or by gratuitious begging
6)Targets: http://www.surplusrifle.com/reviews/lilmiss/pdf/target.pdf only. 5 shots per target.
7)Entry: Each shooter may enter 1 target per rifle. Shoot as many targets as you want and enter the best one. You may enter more than one rifle. To enter email a picture (similar to Klunks example) of your target and the rifle used to cgnmilsurpshoot@hotmail.com on or before March 20th, 2006. Include your CGN handle, date shot, rifle(Country, model, caliber, any special history etc) and ammo specs. Targets will be graded and results posted ASAP. Everlasting CGN glory and bragging rights will be awarded to overall best score. If there are enough entries to justify it, additional categories may be awarded i.e. best score by a Mosin, Mauser, Enfield and "miscellaneous" or something similar.
That should do it. Please use common sense in interpreting these rules. If this shoot works out without too many hang ups or headaches, I'd like to do a more elaborate one in the future. Shoot safe!
ollie
Ok, so after a bit of collaboration and several beers with a fellow nut, I have come up with "THE RULES". As follows:
1)Rifle: any milsurp, manufactured 1955 and prior(or by permission). If you're not sure, ask. Sorry guys, in the spirit of the milsurp competition, bubba's are not invited.
2)Action:Anything. Bolt, straight pull, semi auto, whatever. No restrictions.
3)Sights: Original military issue ONLY. Iron sights only, no optics or spotting scopes.
4)Shooting Position: Bench top, front support only(i.e. sandbag). Slings are OK, but otherwise no rear supports permitted.
5)Ammo: Commercial loads or milsurp only. Handloads may be considered by special permission for "unobtanium" or by gratuitious begging
6)Targets: http://www.surplusrifle.com/reviews/lilmiss/pdf/target.pdf only. 5 shots per target.
7)Entry: Each shooter may enter 1 target per rifle. Shoot as many targets as you want and enter the best one. You may enter more than one rifle. To enter email a picture (similar to Klunks example) of your target and the rifle used to cgnmilsurpshoot@hotmail.com on or before March 20th, 2006. Include your CGN handle, date shot, rifle(Country, model, caliber, any special history etc) and ammo specs. Targets will be graded and results posted ASAP. Everlasting CGN glory and bragging rights will be awarded to overall best score. If there are enough entries to justify it, additional categories may be awarded i.e. best score by a Mosin, Mauser, Enfield and "miscellaneous" or something similar.
That should do it. Please use common sense in interpreting these rules. If this shoot works out without too many hang ups or headaches, I'd like to do a more elaborate one in the future. Shoot safe!
ollie
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ollie,
It's your game and your rules! Thanks for the idea and the effort! This should be fun for everyone. I've got two M1's, a 1903A3 or maybe a .30 cal carbine that I could use. How about what everyone else will fire?
rifle guy
It's your game and your rules! Thanks for the idea and the effort! This should be fun for everyone. I've got two M1's, a 1903A3 or maybe a .30 cal carbine that I could use. How about what everyone else will fire?
rifle guy
I am going to try to get them all out depending on the ammo situation. I can still get 8x56r for the styers cheap ($10 a box) but $50 a box (norma undersize bullet factory loads) for my two carcanos is a bit steep. If somebody could give me a load to replicate the italian milsurp I would be happy to use that (rifle is an underdog).Where do I have to start doing the gratuitous begging? How do we measure the groups?
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groups are usually measured in inches
center of the farthest hole to centre of farthest hole (does that make sense?)
Include a tape measure in the picture, what say?
The entrants will have to be trusted to measure their groups acurately and honestly
center of the farthest hole to centre of farthest hole (does that make sense?)
Include a tape measure in the picture, what say?
The entrants will have to be trusted to measure their groups acurately and honestly
ollie said:Ok, so after a bit of collaboration and several beers with a fellow nut, I have come up with "THE RULES". As follows:
1)Rifle: any milsurp, manufactured 1955 and prior(or by permission). If you're not sure, ask. Sorry guys, in the spirit of the milsurp competition, bubba's are not invited.
2)Action:Anything. Bolt, straight pull, semi auto, whatever. No restrictions.
3)Sights: Original military issue ONLY. Iron sights only, no optics or spotting scopes.
4)Shooting Position: Bench top, front support only(i.e. sandbag). Slings are OK, but otherwise no rear supports permitted.
5)Ammo: Commercial loads or milsurp only. Handloads may be considered by special permission for "unobtanium" or by gratuitious begging
6)Targets: http://www.surplusrifle.com/reviews/lilmiss/pdf/target.pdf only. 5 shots per target.
7)Entry: Each shooter may enter 1 target per rifle. Shoot as many targets as you want and enter the best one. You may enter more than one rifle. To enter email a picture (similar to Klunks example) of your target and the rifle used to cgnmilsurpshoot@yahoo.ca on or before March 20th, 2006. Include your CGN handle, date shot, rifle(Country, model, caliber, any special history etc) and ammo specs. Targets will be graded and results posted ASAP. Everlasting CGN glory and bragging rights will be awarded to overall best score. If there are enough entries to justify it, additional categories may be awarded i.e. best score by a Mosin, Mauser, Enfield and "miscellaneous" or something similar.
That should do it. Please use common sense in interpreting these rules. If this shoot works out without too many hang ups or headaches, I'd like to do a more elaborate one in the future. Shoot safe!
ollie
Why shoot a service rifle off of a bench? Anyone can set a gun on a bag and shoot an excellent group. This is no test of the shooter at all.....
1955 is kind of late in the century as well, mabey WWII or earlier?
