Yes I agree that is kinda the allure of a rifle like this.
Modern VARMINTER .... ?
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Yes I agree that is kinda the allure of a rifle like this.
not to hijack this by any means.
how has the luck been with the 338 fed?
obviously in the modern hunter. been debating it for a bit.
and as I think someone mentioned earlier. If 450 bushmaster worked I think it would be a lot easier for guys to jump on.
However I agree with the good folks at atrs, If its not reliable and their name is on it why sell it. They are top notch and that's
why most guys buy from them. keep up the good work!
how has the luck been with the 338 fed?
obviously in the modern hunter. been debating it for a bit.
and as I think someone mentioned earlier. If 450 bushmaster worked I think it would be a lot easier for guys to jump on.
However I agree with the good folks at atrs, If its not reliable and their name is on it why sell it. They are top notch and that's
why most guys buy from them. keep up the good work!
ATRS will have the 338 fed MH upper ready next month thinking of ordering ither 308 or 243 next
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450 and 30 Remington 30AR can work off of the same bolt provided you make it out of material strong enough unlike a lot of the factory and aftermarket 450 bolts currently available.
Remington made the 30AR with a different rim size so people did not use it on the weaker bolt meant for the 450 but you can turn down the rim on 30AR brass or get dies to neck down your 450 brass to 30 AR. These two calibers really are the top performers in this small platform. Both calibers each use their own proprietary magazine that will not hold 223 so it wont be another issue like the 50 Beowulf which is another bonus. Factory loaded ammo is also readily available for both calibers and in stock in Canada unlike 50 Beowulf
30AR magazine
450 Magazine
7.62x39, 30AR and 450 Bushmaster
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450 and 30 Remington 30AR can work off of the same bolt provided you make it out of material strong enough unlike a lot of the factory and aftermarket 450 bolts currently available.
Remington made the 30AR with a different rim size so people did not use it on the weaker bolt meant for the 450 but you can turn down the rim on 30AR brass or get dies to neck down your 450 brass to 30 AR. These two calibers really are the top performers in this small platform. Both calibers each use their own proprietary magazine that will not hold 223 so it wont be another issue like the 50 Beowulf which is another bonus. Factory loaded ammo is also readily available for both calibers and in stock in Canada unlike 50 Beowulf
30AR magazine
450 Magazine
7.62x39, 30AR and 450 Bushmaster
MV uppers in 223 ,30AR,450 Bushmaster would make it a well rounded hunting platform
yes, the 30AR has 86% more case capacity than the 7.62x39 Out to around 400yds it's performance is very close to that of a 308 but in a lighter more compact rifle.
The 450 under 200yds will take all the big game Canada has to offer
The key word in MV is Varminter fellas,I'd be quite content to see a .20cal and maybe some other hot .224 chamberings offered?I don't want a well rounded hunting platform for mice to moose,that just might lead to crazy ideas and thought processes like maybe I can get through life with just one rifle....what's the fun in that?Damn, I've got a .300BLK barrel en route for my XCR and I'm already stressing over the thought of possibly neglecting my other deer rifles. :0
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- Edmonton, AB
I want one gun to rule them all. Given options like the 6.8, .30AR, .300BLK, 6mm-223, and .450 Bushmaster, all of which can take deer-sized game (and larger in the case of the .450) there's no reason for me not to have the desire for a gun I can shoot a gopher with in July, and deer with in November, with whatever the heck I want at the range in between, and all I have to do is pop a pin or two to make the change happen.
I know the MH will do this right now, but I like the smaller package (and I don't have to buy more mags) of an AR15 styled gun. It's also better to get my girlfriend, or my young nephew into shooting centerfire, because the smaller rounds are generally softer shooting, as well as the gun being lighter. Remember: I want one gun to rule them all.
My take on this whole "I want it in this or that calibre" is that; it is what it is. I think that's what Rick is envisioning for it. I think it will remain .223 wylde.
And it should remain that. After all, it is non-restricted. And a whole lot of work went into getting it NR. All the way back to the MH.
For those of you who want it in something else, look elsewhere. Really.
And it should remain that. After all, it is non-restricted. And a whole lot of work went into getting it NR. All the way back to the MH.
For those of you who want it in something else, look elsewhere. Really.
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- Edmonton, AB
Look elsewhere?
Where the hell are we supposed to look for an evil black & scary NR that handles JUST LIKE an AR15?
The XCR? No thanks. The last one I handled weighed 3 pounds more than my M14.
ACR? Not without rebarreling it.
SCAR? Oh yeah, they had issues with those going full auto.
Bren 805? Vaporware in this country.
This is the closest thing we have to getting to eat our cake, and you just went and hid all the forks, spoons, napkins and broke our fingers to cap it off.
Where the hell are we supposed to look for an evil black & scary NR that handles JUST LIKE an AR15?
The XCR? No thanks. The last one I handled weighed 3 pounds more than my M14.
ACR? Not without rebarreling it.
SCAR? Oh yeah, they had issues with those going full auto.
Bren 805? Vaporware in this country.
This is the closest thing we have to getting to eat our cake, and you just went and hid all the forks, spoons, napkins and broke our fingers to cap it off.
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- Edmonton, AB
You didn't answer the question.
And really didn't make much of a case.
Sure, I can make the choice of not buying one, but what are the alternatives? ANSWER ME THAT.
And really didn't make much of a case.
Sure, I can make the choice of not buying one, but what are the alternatives? ANSWER ME THAT.
Then you haven't had one of the newer keymod ones in your hands at 7.5 Lbs.
Still, they seem to be always evolving to tackle reliability issues and also suffer from some reports of sketchy accuracy.
Moe
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- Edmonton, AB
So not only have you hidden the cutlery, and broken my fingers, but now you take away the cake. You're worse than a Liberal. You know that, right?
I really want to like this gun. I really, really do, but the lack of caliber options makes that really, really hard.
10ish pounds for a bare-bones MH isn't exactly hunting weight, either. Word is the lightest it can get trimmed to is 8 lbs. I might as well carry my M14, because it scales up at 9 and a half.
I really want to like this gun. I really, really do, but the lack of caliber options makes that really, really hard.
10ish pounds for a bare-bones MH isn't exactly hunting weight, either. Word is the lightest it can get trimmed to is 8 lbs. I might as well carry my M14, because it scales up at 9 and a half.
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- Edmonton, AB
I neglected to mention this part, mostly because they weigh so goddamned much (the old ones, anyways)
That's the other reason why I have no desire whatsoever to own an XCR. I expect a modern semi-auto rifle to at least be as accurate as my AR15. ESPECIALLY when it costs 3 times as much as said AR15.
Do I have high expectations on performance? You bet your ass I do. It's hardwired into me from my German lineage. I also know that performance costs money. I want a high performance gun, cost be damned. But I'm not going to shell out a couple grand for a gun that groups worse than an $800 DPMS.
I wish my Vette could carry a cord of wood, but it can't. I wish my half ton could pull my fifth wheel but it can't. I wish my 1 ton could turn 9 second quarter miles, but it can't. I want to really like this automobile thing but the lack of........
Man the first run isn't even out the door yet and all you guys can do is whine about caliber selections. It's bloody amazing anyone is willing to produce anything for Canadians with a market like this, I certainly wouldn't be putting up with is as calmly as Rick has. A 1-8 .223 Wylde barrel was 100% the right choice to produce this rifle in. ATRS hit the nail on the head for 95% of the people who will be looking to buy this rifle.
For everyone wanting a different caliber... nothing saying you can't buy one as is and have a gunsmith whip up a new barrel. Heck I might even find myself in the market for a reasonably priced .223 Wylde take off (I hope to be able to shoot mine enough to wear out a couple barrels...). Don't expect ATRS to warranty it afterwards... but there's certainly nothing stopping you from having custom work done afterwards. Though if you risk the NR status for everyone expect to be VERY unpopular.
For everyone wanting a different caliber... nothing saying you can't buy one as is and have a gunsmith whip up a new barrel. Heck I might even find myself in the market for a reasonably priced .223 Wylde take off (I hope to be able to shoot mine enough to wear out a couple barrels...). Don't expect ATRS to warranty it afterwards... but there's certainly nothing stopping you from having custom work done afterwards. Though if you risk the NR status for everyone expect to be VERY unpopular.
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- Edmonton, AB
You're missing my point. I want to take advantage of the modularity and versatility of the design. I want multiple uppers in different calibers for different purposes. .223 for gophers, 6.8spc or 6mm-.223 for deer, and for ####s & giggles/heavy brush .450 bushmaster. I don't want to have to buy three complete rifles and send two of them off to the smith for work, at additional cost over and above the $3000 starting price point. I might as well stick to bolt-actions for everything then, because I could probably pick up half a dozen decent guns for the price of one MV. This gun has the potential to become Canada's Sporting Rifle, just like the AR15 is considered America's Sporting Rifle.
