CZ that I handled felt good in the hand, not overated as comfortable. ALthough I have seen quite a few jam, I know of three shooters in particular who had some jamming problems. I witnessed them all numerous times with FTE, or FTF.
Most over rated or over hyped pistol?
- Thread starter bernse
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I don't find the Beretta to be OVER-hyped. From all accounts it's a great service pistol.
Personally I find the beretta's grip to be long. I have average length fingers and found that with a neutral grip (ie the muzzle moves only up during a hard squeeze of the grip and not to one side) I could barely keep my finger on the trigger. Other than that , I love Beretta. Smooth action, I found the trigger pull quite acceptable for a service type pistol. Are there good aftermarket grips that reduce the circumferance of the grip?
Personally I find the beretta's grip to be long. I have average length fingers and found that with a neutral grip (ie the muzzle moves only up during a hard squeeze of the grip and not to one side) I could barely keep my finger on the trigger. Other than that , I love Beretta. Smooth action, I found the trigger pull quite acceptable for a service type pistol. Are there good aftermarket grips that reduce the circumferance of the grip?
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- Tucson, Arizona
Surprised nobody mentioned the Tec 9. A wannabe submachine gun. Over weight, clumsy, inaccurate, and I never heard of any way to carry it except in your hand. A gun imitating a garden hose. Beloved by gang bangers who spray and pray.
Then there was the long deceased erma revolver. I handled one in a store. #### the hammer and the cylinder rotated, let the hammer down and the cylinder rotated the other direction. Pot metal with steel cylinder and barrel liner.
Then there was the long deceased erma revolver. I handled one in a store. #### the hammer and the cylinder rotated, let the hammer down and the cylinder rotated the other direction. Pot metal with steel cylinder and barrel liner.
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- Southeastern Michigan
I am not crazy about Sigs. I am sure they are over priced and hyped. The pick of the Sigs is the 9mm P228 and you can keep the rest. Regards, Richard 
IM_Lugger said:
well I'll tell you about my experience...
I have always been told that it is "impossible" to get an FTE with the Beretta due to the open slide design...guess what? the first time I shot it, i got THREE FTEs out of 10 shots! And the ones that did manage to eject all hit me square in the forehead...the open slide design also makes the gun a lot louder than most other guns (certainly than other 9mms)...aside from that it did not point extremely well for me...and let's not even get into beretta owners
I have given the Beretta a few chances and I was left disappointed every time.RL
I don't know what ammo you were shooting, but I can't imagine it gam 3 times in a mag.... I've shoot a lot more than a 10 shots
and I never had a jam, ever, even with my reloads (and I don't evan use a caliper ). As for open slide design makes it lauder, I'm pretty sure that's not true; how can that even be possible? (this is the first time I hear about it)
Lee Enfield
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- Republic of Alberta
richardoldfield said:I am not crazy about Sigs. I am sure they are over priced and hyped. The pick of the Sigs is the 9mm P228 and you can keep the rest. Regards, Richard
Amen brother
Being as the question yet again is "over hyped", my money is still on the Sig-Saur series.
For a gun that expensive & hyped by ALL the "experts", you'd think that it would be (just a little) left hand friendly
A stock 1911 is easier to LH operate.
Beretta m-92: is just a warmed over P-38. Seen plenty of cracked slides....yet they fit my hand like a glove.
Glock: a great gun for someone who is not expected to actually use firearms. Sort of like an MP-5, great for the police, not something which is truely combat worthy.
If anyone was planning to give me one of the above, I wouldn't say "NO", (unless there was a real gun available) but I'd pull very hard for the M-92.
Individual ergonomics are extremely important in my book (and probably overlooked by most).
D
IM_Lugger said:As for open slide design makes it lauder, I'm pretty sure that's not true; how can that even be possible?
maybe you are used to it but i sure notice a difference...how? well look at the size of the opening when the slide kicks back...I guess it's similar to how a compensator makes a gun louder...in the beretta's case everything (gas, brass, fumes) comes right back in your face...no thanks.
RL
Better yest ask why the US MIL has had so many issues with the M9 - ####ty mags - slide problems etc. The gun is so unergonomic it is incredible -- anyone doing drills on it will have a hard time not knocking it on safe - whoops click.
I used to own one -- bah - Sig, Glock for me as a working gun.
I used to own one -- bah - Sig, Glock for me as a working gun.
I already know why;
You said it yourself - mags! Uncle Sam cheaped out and went with chepo aftermarket magazines to same money; it’s not the gun it’s a magazine. As for the slide problem that seals had in ’88 it was fixed the same year…
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- Alberta land of many guns
Beretta
Heavy unLoaded weight M92 33.5oz. Glock17 22oz, Sig226 29oz
Larger overall dimensions M92 OAL 8.54 Glock17 7.32 Sig226 7.7
Barrel length M92 4.92" Glock 4.49" Sig226 4.4"
exposed trigger bar
60 pieces! Glock17 has 35, 1911 has 52 and sig226 has 55
failing lock blocks (ask Redleg)
failed frames
failed mags See here http://www.thegunzone.com/m9-a.html
failing slides
short service life M92 10,000 rds, Glock only recommends cleaning their guns a minimum of every 10,000 rounds. Sigs go forever, I'm sure some long time Sig owners and maybe Redleg or TSE JR will chime in on how many rounds have been put through their guns.
AS for how the open top slide is a benefit? All I can see is a higher probability of debris entering the frame and lug area.
As for the 1911 being over-hyped? I'd have to say not. Maybe they are today but they sure as hell weren't over-hyped in the past. No other pistol has a service life and reputation like that of the 1911.
CF
Heavy unLoaded weight M92 33.5oz. Glock17 22oz, Sig226 29oz
Larger overall dimensions M92 OAL 8.54 Glock17 7.32 Sig226 7.7
Barrel length M92 4.92" Glock 4.49" Sig226 4.4"
exposed trigger bar
60 pieces! Glock17 has 35, 1911 has 52 and sig226 has 55
failing lock blocks (ask Redleg)
failed frames
failed mags See here http://www.thegunzone.com/m9-a.html
failing slides
short service life M92 10,000 rds, Glock only recommends cleaning their guns a minimum of every 10,000 rounds. Sigs go forever, I'm sure some long time Sig owners and maybe Redleg or TSE JR will chime in on how many rounds have been put through their guns.
AS for how the open top slide is a benefit? All I can see is a higher probability of debris entering the frame and lug area.
As for the 1911 being over-hyped? I'd have to say not. Maybe they are today but they sure as hell weren't over-hyped in the past. No other pistol has a service life and reputation like that of the 1911.
CF
from beretta website;
Beretta U.S.A. Reliability and Durability Statistics for the Beretta 9mm Pistol
• The average reliability of all M9 pistols tested at Beretta U.S.A. is 17,500 rounds without a stoppage.
• During one test of twelve pistols fired at Beretta U.S.A. before Army supervision, Beretta-made M9 pistols shot 168,000 rounds without a single malfunction.
• The Beretta 9mm pistol was the most reliable of all pistols tested in the 1984 competition which resulted in the award of the M9 contract to Beretta.
• Two-thirds of all M9 pistols endurance tested at Beretta U.S.A. fired 5,000 rounds without a single mal function or, at most, with only one malfunction.
• The average durability of Beretta M9 slides is over 35,000 rounds, the point at which U.S. Army testing ceases.
• The average durability of M9 frames is over 30,000 rounds. The average durability of M9 locking blocks is 22,000 rounds.
btw didn't slavex put 160K thru his 96FS?
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