MRA renegade and Spectre ballistics builds
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I dont have either, so this is just my observance.
The biggest difference for me is the take down. MRA you need to remove the castle nut and receiver extension, buffer and spring to pull out the bolt. LPC just use an allen key.
LPC will be lighter without the buffer, spring, and smaller carrier
One other is MRA's carrier is full length, covering the "slots" the handle slides along not allowing dirt and crap getting into the action. LPC is wide open.
You can shake or bump the LPC and the action can open, not so good if your backpacking it on the outside, unless you have it strapped muzzle down. For the owners, does this happen?
I chose the LPC for the easier field strip, but now reconsidering. If MRA would have a folding stock mechanism like the LAW folder, that would be so slick to access the bolt. I dont think you can put that on the renegade. That would be the winner for me
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No need to clean the MRA as often as a DI rifle so the field stripping is a non issue, but having the load into battery assist from a buffer spring is a deal maker. If you want a self assist into battery then a Troy PAR is superior then a manual side handle. That I just IMHO so take it for what its worth.
Really, I guess I dont underestand the advantage of spring assist. The LPC seems really smooth in the vids. Oh and the BIG thing is the bolt hold open, MRA has no bolt catch t keep it open, LPC will stay open- That seems like a deal breaker for some
Spring assist ensures that the cartridge fully chambers, and that the bolt goes 100% into battery and stays there, every single time. With the LPC, any limp wristing can lead to no bang. And the muzzle only needs to rise slightly before the carrier starts sliding back and the bolt unlocks. By slight angle, I mean less than any of my well lubed Tikkas need to start moving. In some situations it could be a fail, like trying to take a sheep on a slope above you. Or a mountain lion out of a tree.
Depending on the barrel/bolt/cartridge, some are much harder (or easier) to fully chamber than others, which can be an issue for a fully manual LPC (and a non issue for the Renegade). I've had multiple light strikes caused by not being fully in battery with an Odin barrel/bolt 6.5 grendel LPC. That setup needs an exceedingly firm hand to fully chamber, to the point where my palm was bruised after 40rds. We've swapped out bolts to see if it helps, but haven't tried it since.
We've also been monkeying with a Criterion barrel/Toolcraft bolt 224 Valkyrie on another LPC as well, and it's the slickest thing on earth to chamber and extract. Effortless and very fast. Right up to book max on some smoking hot 80.5 berger loads.
To be honest, the spring assist makes the Renegade the winner IMO. Chamber flags solve the only issue I can see to not having a bolt hold open, everything else about the spring assist makes it a win.
Depending on the barrel/bolt/cartridge, some are much harder (or easier) to fully chamber than others, which can be an issue for a fully manual LPC (and a non issue for the Renegade). I've had multiple light strikes caused by not being fully in battery with an Odin barrel/bolt 6.5 grendel LPC. That setup needs an exceedingly firm hand to fully chamber, to the point where my palm was bruised after 40rds. We've swapped out bolts to see if it helps, but haven't tried it since.
We've also been monkeying with a Criterion barrel/Toolcraft bolt 224 Valkyrie on another LPC as well, and it's the slickest thing on earth to chamber and extract. Effortless and very fast. Right up to book max on some smoking hot 80.5 berger loads.
To be honest, the spring assist makes the Renegade the winner IMO. Chamber flags solve the only issue I can see to not having a bolt hold open, everything else about the spring assist makes it a win.
Has anyone thought of sourcing or fabricating a charging handle like the one in the below photo? I am not sure who makes this one.
The fine people at Maple Ridge are discussing their intention of such a charging handle.
MRA pulled their submission for an FRT, and the LPC's is pending. I'm guessing because MRA knows once an FRT is issued it will be banned, so they're delaying the inevitable. I know they're both basically single shot bolt action rifles, but guns seem to be classified in the court of public opinion, and not a set of characteristics anymore. For that reason, the RCMP will more than likely deem them to be variants, not because they are actual variants, but because they can get away with it. And if we cry and complain, our population with cro magnon level intelligence will just see a "scary black gun" and cheer the reclassification to prohib.
Have fun with them while you can I guess.
What ammo are you using in the Grendel that takes lots of force to chamber?
Some of my Hornady brass handloads took a bit of force, but Starline brass was pretty effortless. Which is interesting because when I had a Odin barrel semi rifle the Starline brass would not always eject properly often stove piping. But Hornady was perfect. My LPC in .223 is like your Valkyrie. Super smooth, super fast, very slick. I've had multiple beginner shooters have no problem operating it whereas they always would have short stroking problems with a Troy PAR. I can honestly say I enjoy range shooting with the LPC (almost) as much as with an AR15. So I would concur with you about cartridge/bolt/barrel selections.
It being hunting season I haven't had much time to experiment with my 12.5" Grendel LPC but I'm looking forward to it as hunting with it has been so damn pleasant. I use a magpul sling and strap it across my chest or push it off to the side and it hardly feels like it's there. Leaves both hands free but no barrel banging into your knee or getting dragged in the snow.
Also, when a round is chambered the bolt does not slide back unless the butt is struck. Like if I chamber a round and hold it vertically then shake it up and down, the bolt does not open. Slam the butt on the ground like you are mortaring an AR and it opens all the way. Slap the buttstock hard with your hand and it opens a bit. I'm not enthusiastic about any rifle opening when it's not supposed to but I think I can live with this as a hunting rifle and knowing about this condition.
LPC vs MRA I think comes down to spring assist or not. The LPC is easier to take down for cleaning but neither are going to get any dirtier than a regular bolt action.
Since I was going for a hunting rifle with minimum weight I felt the LPC wins that area as the receiver set is more streamlined, the bolt carrier is smaller and there is no buffer or spring. That's my theory anyway as I don't yet have a MRA and haven't done a weigh off. If I was mostly a range shooter and weight wasn't as much of a factor I could see going the spring assist route.
Also, when a round is chambered the bolt does not slide back unless the butt is struck. Like if I chamber a round and hold it vertically then shake it up and down, the bolt does not open. Slam the butt on the ground like you are mortaring an AR and it opens all the way. Slap the buttstock hard with your hand and it opens a bit. I'm not enthusiastic about any rifle opening when it's not supposed to but I think I can live with this as a hunting rifle and knowing about this condition.
LPC vs MRA I think comes down to spring assist or not. The LPC is easier to take down for cleaning but neither are going to get any dirtier than a regular bolt action.
Since I was going for a hunting rifle with minimum weight I felt the LPC wins that area as the receiver set is more streamlined, the bolt carrier is smaller and there is no buffer or spring. That's my theory anyway as I don't yet have a MRA and haven't done a weigh off. If I was mostly a range shooter and weight wasn't as much of a factor I could see going the spring assist route.
I was using Hornady Black factory ammo as well as handloads using new Starline brass. I didn't notice a difference between them, both needed a good smack.
I think that I have a bad chamber. Hornady Black is brutal to extract, which I initially thought was due to a dirty chamber (cleaning didn't help for its second range visit). I did the plunk test tonight, and I'm halfway between good and bad according to the pictures on Odin's website.
didn't notice any issues when it was on a semi, but something is definitely wrong. if I get time this weekend I'm going to pull the barrel and take it into CSC to see what they think. maybe it's a headspace issue (I don't have any 6.5G gauges), but Odin had a bad run of barrels a few years ago.
Finally made it out to the range to do a function test with my 7.62 x 39 Renegade build, the gas port block that came with the receiver set blew apart within the first couple of shots, I wouldn't have noticed it if I haven't looked down at the ground and notice the pieces of the block sitting right at my feet when i was swapping out my mag. After looking over the rifle I didn't notice any collateral damage to the surrounding area. I put another 15 rounds down range, had a couple of empty casings that was tight in the chamber that was bit harder to extract, but it wasn't very surprising at all with steel cased 7.62 x 39 ammo, they are known for needing more gas pressure to run in an AR.
Overall the rifle performed as expected, it is not a replacement for a semi auto AR and shooting few hundred rounds in a single session will definitely be a workout for your arm working that extractor.
Overall the rifle performed as expected, it is not a replacement for a semi auto AR and shooting few hundred rounds in a single session will definitely be a workout for your arm working that extractor.
make great britain again it is sad when we envy uk related to firearms ... if it was for food or cuisine why but guns owned by the plebe lol ...
you shoukld educate yourself about how you can get a firearm in that country so free of firearms lol ... always the local police that give the go and you need to explain why you need such calibers ...
always wondered why the UK pistol teams were training in belgium and left them there and that was already long time ago ...
that is a good excuse to own a gun: workout.
