NEA Issues *WARNING*

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Runningfool said:
There is a reason that most serious AR people don't bother posting much in the black and green rifle section anymore. This thread is a good example of why and it's a shame really.

When I asked the OP how NEA explained the burst fire problem, he said:



Anyone who knows ARs and is thinking clearly can read between the lines...NEA is trying to isolate the burst firing issue and the first thing ANY AR manufacturer is going to suggest is putting the trigger back to stock to see if the issue continues. Maybe the OP installed the aftermarket trigger incorrectly, maybe he got a bad trigger, maybe his Geissele came from some dude at a gunshow who did a little stoning work on it? Who knows? The point is, the manufacturer has no idea and the first logical step in determining what is wrong is to suggest it be put back to stock to see if the issue continues or not.

But instead of rational thought we get the predictable dogpile with people practically tripping over each other to get in on the fun. When people are so eager to jump on the band wagon and not use their heads we get the following:
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Maybe you should change your CGN handle to Runningmouth. Did you completely miss the part where the OP stated that one of the reasons he switched the original trigger is because he was having burst fire issues?!!

BTW, the first thing any serious AR manufacturer would most likely do is want the rifle sent back to them to properly analyze the problem.

For someone who complains about the lack of rational thought, you seem to be doing a lot a WAG speculation.
 
Light Infantry said:
...Did you completely miss the part where the OP stated that one of the reasons he switched the original trigger is because he was having burst fire issues?!!.
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No I didn't. I also read the part where the OP stated that he switched back to the original trigger but hasn't tested it out yet. Perhaps you missed that bit? It would seem pointless to switch back to the old trigger if it was doing the same thing, yet that is what the OP has done. To me it would appear that the burst issue has nothing to do with the trigger group in this case but my point wasn't about what is wrong with the OP's rifle, my point was that NEA suggesting he put the rifle back to stock and test it does not mean NEA is blaming poor Geissele QC for all of this rifle's problems.
 
*MALICE* said:
That's all good and fine except soft fire control group parts, doubling/burst firing are all common/known issues with NEA15s. Same with prematurely self destructing bolts.

I know a guy who recently sent his NEA15 back to get rebuilt (I wont even get into the problems it had that he sent it back for). When he got it back he got 42 rounds through it and the bolt failed. So what happened to that problem being sorted out or that they were making their bolts in house?

I asked the question in another thread, and I'll ask it again:

Why can't NEA get their $hit together?
Can they not find competent employees who care? Does the owner not care? Are they at the mercy of suppliers who keep sending them sub par components? This is beyond 'first year teething issues' to the point of being depressingly comical. Same problems keep happening despite hearing the 'they've sorted out their QC issues' line.

It's great that every time one of these threads comes up that Ryan sells a few more NEAs (or so he says) but I don't really know what that says about the people buying them..... :/ Optimistic? or Naive?
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I honestly think they are just in it for the $$$ and don't give 2 ####s about their own products reputation. Same issues 5 years later? That says something about the company.
Plus that collapsible stock they designed has to be the biggest pos with the worst ergonomics conceivable...
 
Mike better be carfulf of what you write , they may try to sue you.
Think I still have. A few letters from there lawyer kicking around from a few years ago
In mfg when you are trying to be the lowest bidder in your market place, this can be hard on things like QC. And outsorced contractors. Not trying to defend nea , as I have no love for them after what those involved tried to do to my company, but northeasten aerospace has nothing to do with NEA, I have some clients that have work done by them.
There is enought info on the net to make up your mind if you want to buy their product.
And befor the fanboys ask , what about the s&j ar15, at this time its not cost efective for us to make and sell it in canada, as ours would be around $1300 and with colts selling for the same price. Not many would buy ours.
It take good staff ,good equipment and good staff to make a quality product.
Everyone thinks making a whole AR15 is easy till they try and do it, I know we sure did.
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To clear something out here. I did test the G SD3G trigger on my norinco and had no issues. Also people suggesting that save some money buy a different brand. I have 3 other ARs. And NEA as forth one. Save money and buy a better brand only applies to people who are going to rely on just one AR and STAY AWAY warning is for those people. I never shot reloads with the NEA. Only NORC,FED AND FIOCCI. I say it again , it was a fun little rifle when it did work.
 
I have used no less then 11 geissele triggers in the past and present. And oddly enough have never had any burst fire issues. I also probably put more lead downrange every two weeks then 98% of people here do in a year, and I haven't had any muzzle devices blow up or bolts break at a couple hundred rounds.

The bottom line is NEA is garbage. Them trying to diagnose a burst firing and exploding gun by saying "swap to your old trigger group" is stupidity on their part. The only acceptable thing for them to do would have been to provide a brand new rifle since it is obvious the OP's is effed. Fixing one problem does not alleviate the other obvious problems.....

I feel sorry for people who have bought these guns, amd even more sorry for the people who have shot a couple hundred rounds through them with no problems amd thing they are great guns......
 
I have a NEA 18" AR15 w/ gen 2 quad rail, it has worked for me with no problems only ####ty finishing (only used norc ammo with no problems) , that being said I will buy a different brand next time around. Could the problem be with the amount of gas in the shortened gas tube that causes more stress in the parts? Other than the obvious muzzle break shouldn't have failed ? Or am I way off base here?
 
M&P 9mm ProSeriesShooter said:
I want to support a Canadian company but they are giving good reasons not to next time around
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Colt Canada, ATRS, and Cadex are all Canadian companies that I certainly had no trouble handing my money over to. Would love to try PGW, but the wife would probably make me dig my own grave in the backyard first.

For a budget beater guns, my go-to is Norc. IRG has some pretty sweet deals, but sometimes purchasing there is drastically affected by the fluctuating exchange rate.
 
M&P 9mm ProSeriesShooter said:
Could the problem be with the amount of gas in the shortened gas tube that causes more stress in the parts? Other than the obvious muzzle break shouldn't have failed ? Or am I way off base here?
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Once upon a time it seemed that NEA guns were overgassed (oversized gas port).

Lately it seems that they are closer to where they should be (maybe due to them making/selling suppressors? you need less gas? Don't quote me, suppresors aren't my area of expertise. Suputin would know better).

I don't know why the muzzle brake would banana but as far as the bursting goes, my guess without looking at the gun is either the trigger/hammer pin holes are somehow in the wrong spot or possibly loose? If it was just the stock FCG parts that did the burst thang, then I would say they were soft/worn/out of spec, but the Gieselle one doing it too means something isn't where it's supposed to be........
 
I dunno I build an AR back in 2005, that as I know today only issue it had was a loosened gas key. Never had zero issues like this company had. Nor have I seen on "other" company. DMPS, Bushmaster.
 
*MALICE* said:
I don't know why the muzzle brake would banana but as far as the bursting goes, my guess without looking at the gun is either the trigger/hammer pin holes are somehow in the wrong spot or possibly loose?
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This is the only explanation since both FCGs did it, the lower pins have to be out of spec in some way.

Well.. that or the bolt/carrier is somehow out of spec causing the firing pin to strike the primer harder than normal upon chambering.
 
I appreciate this thread, I was looking into an NEA AR at one time and will be now saving a little longer and buy something else instead, I would have thought there would be more cases of the Norinco's behaving like this, but you live and learn.

Thanks to everyone who posted there horror stories and near misses.
 
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