New Handgun Rip-Offs
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Is it really a $100 + tax on the gun to import a firearm in Canada ?
I remember seeing $750 at Questar
If I find a AR for $800 in the US I add the tax + $100 to get then gun ?
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Those price differences remember me bad souvenirs, when customer call me for Automotive part and tell me they can get it on ebay for less then 3/4 of what Im asking.
Whats funny is that even if they find such a good deal on Ebay they will still bother to call Local retailer and lose more time trying to buy it cheaper then ebay. People are nutz
I remember seeing $750 at Questar
If I find a AR for $800 in the US I add the tax + $100 to get then gun ?
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Those price differences remember me bad souvenirs, when customer call me for Automotive part and tell me they can get it on ebay for less then 3/4 of what Im asking.
Whats funny is that even if they find such a good deal on Ebay they will still bother to call Local retailer and lose more time trying to buy it cheaper then ebay. People are nutz
It's 100 US for the paper work
GST/PST is on the amount of the gun once converted from US to CDN funds
the store at this time cannot export AR's
?? Arms East Is a Manufacturer, An Importer and a Distributor.
You think Walter does all that by himself? He has No employees?
No Buildings, Machines or overhead??
Epps has 10 parking spaces?? Since when is that overhead?
You just partially answered your own question (and the question of why ArmsEast can sell Colt's cheaper) ArmsEast is an importer, hence they don't buy from the Colt importer. The fact is there are gunshops in the US that do more more business in a month than all the gunshops in Ontario combined - even though our population is the same as California, we just don't have the volume to drive the prices down. As far as BGC goes, they may not have had to renew their export license under the new license fees (yet) - when they do, their price will go up like everyone elses. In the meantime, if we're lucky, the rest of us will still have the local gunshop to go to - maybe.
Doesn't explain why Epps claims to pay $2,100 wholsale for a gun somebody is able to sell for under $2,000.
That has nothing to do with overhead,
On another note, big retailers like Epps could import themselves if they would be willing to go the extra mile.
That has nothing to do with overhead,
On another note, big retailers like Epps could import themselves if they would be willing to go the extra mile.
sure if they want to freeze themselves out of the canadian wholesale network...
case in point, armseast sells colt, stag and some FN stuff and he does on occasion get some oddball pistol stuff... that is all he sells, thats it.... 3 or 4 products.....
ellwood epp's has to deal with wolverine for armalite, nicholls and FN sports and several other companies, TSE for kimbers, P&D for Wilson Combat, Police Ord. for Glock.....
Why do you think Questar does not import full size glocks ? one of the reasons is because Police Ord. complained to glock that another dealer was horning in on their Distribution Rights for glock pistols in canada, ie: Police Ord. PAID for the right to sell and represent glock pistols in canada..... so glock sent a letter to ALL USA wholesalers of glock pistols telling them to cease and desist selling glock pistols to Questar (the letter used to be on their old web page)
anyway to get back to the point, it is not worth Epp's hassles to short stop their canadian wholesalers to import direct.... most manufacturers will not deal direct and will forward their request to the canadian distributor anyway.
piss off the Few Canadian wholesalers and kiss goodbye to having a well stocked store.....
I am not even going to get into the cost of importation or the 5 month to 2 year's waiting for state dept to approve a buisness import/export certificate that is issued PER shipement...
yes your method works for the single gun sale..... for private use, but once you turn that into a buisness enterprise well then your in for a world of hurt.. was there not some dude that isserving jail time now for some FN P90 imports that where deemed to be imported for buisness use ?
They did renew, and they kept their price the same, I asked them why, and was told
"we do enough business, that we don't need to pass on the little bit more we had to pay for the exporting privileges"
A bit off topic but to touch upon what you mentioned about California, on their opening day of hunting, they use up more ammunition, than we do as a whole in Canada, for the entire year, perhaps this might be a bit far feteched, but it would not surprise me in the least bit. I don't recall where I read or heard this, wish I had the source to back it up...
The pistols can only have 10 round mags, they in Buffalo are under the same ruling as us here in Canada.
One of the reasons they do not have an XDm yet.........no 10 round mags....
Not saying that they do not have high cap mags for purchase as an accessory, but we should not be buying those anyways,,,,,,right
One of the reasons they do not have an XDm yet.........no 10 round mags....
Not saying that they do not have high cap mags for purchase as an accessory, but we should not be buying those anyways,,,,,,right
- Location
- Sault Ste. Marie
So what you want us to do is blame the distributers for fleecing us?
- Location
- The Police State: Ontario
Nope! Keep stackin' them up down there where it is all warm and cozy, thanks anyway!
Sorry Joe!
I won't buy a gun to save a few bucks from the U.S. unless what I want is flat out not available here...and that hasn't happened yet. I prefer to support our Canadian Dealers who are all struggling to stay afloat in a vicious political climate. If we allow them to go the way of the Do Do bird, so too will the shooting sports in Canada.
You can go down to BGC to buy stuff -
but if you have problems with it, a serial trace by the local warranty depot/distributor will show that your product is purchased from the US.....and should have never entered Canada. This means they won't service it.
This means you will have to figure out the re-importation to the US...and the pandera box of paper work and travelling. You have to ask yourself - is it worth it? YMMV
In the second hand market, as a buyer I will think twice before buying a grey import from a US - because essentially the price difference is the "support" contract and warranty. I will not pay "the 2nd market price", or not at all, for a grey import directly from the US that someone drove from the border, unless it is an uber rare item or there is no exisitng distribution/importation to Canada. You got it cheap, and you will have to sell it way cheaper because there is no support to it.
For a few hundred bucks, you need to factor in your time, gas and the trade off of potential risk of warranty support - especially for US made firearms. In my experience, for most US made products, I will want warranty.
Case in point, I have a S&W MP9 which is factory FUBAR - the commerical distributor did a trace and shows that the pistol was imported by the LE distributor. The LE distributor repair did not want to exchange and could not fix the issue - so I have to communicate to S&W VP level to get this sorted out - which came back down to the commerical distributor who actually carried out the complete replacement. If you got a lemon like this from the US - you are screwed. The service depot won't touch your pistol(or bill you by hours for just looking at it), and the factory won't listen to you. you will have no choice but to take the pistol all the way back to the US......to send to the factory and repeat the process 3 times! Now you can charter out the path to accomplish this from a paper work and travelling perspective.
but if you have problems with it, a serial trace by the local warranty depot/distributor will show that your product is purchased from the US.....and should have never entered Canada. This means they won't service it.
This means you will have to figure out the re-importation to the US...and the pandera box of paper work and travelling. You have to ask yourself - is it worth it? YMMV
In the second hand market, as a buyer I will think twice before buying a grey import from a US - because essentially the price difference is the "support" contract and warranty. I will not pay "the 2nd market price", or not at all, for a grey import directly from the US that someone drove from the border, unless it is an uber rare item or there is no exisitng distribution/importation to Canada. You got it cheap, and you will have to sell it way cheaper because there is no support to it.
For a few hundred bucks, you need to factor in your time, gas and the trade off of potential risk of warranty support - especially for US made firearms. In my experience, for most US made products, I will want warranty.
Case in point, I have a S&W MP9 which is factory FUBAR - the commerical distributor did a trace and shows that the pistol was imported by the LE distributor. The LE distributor repair did not want to exchange and could not fix the issue - so I have to communicate to S&W VP level to get this sorted out - which came back down to the commerical distributor who actually carried out the complete replacement. If you got a lemon like this from the US - you are screwed. The service depot won't touch your pistol(or bill you by hours for just looking at it), and the factory won't listen to you. you will have no choice but to take the pistol all the way back to the US......to send to the factory and repeat the process 3 times! Now you can charter out the path to accomplish this from a paper work and travelling perspective.
Some people would rather save a buck than preserve their hobby.
- Location
- Niagara Region, Ontario. For now
Some people don't have an extra $400 bucks in there pocket either. Like I said earlier. This country is purposefully making our hobby expensive, and diffucult to participate in and I refuse to bend over and take it. Just like the guy who goes to the reserve to buy a carton of cigarettes at half the price. $50-$100 bucks I could handle but $400 bucks is another story. Case in point: my next purchase is likely to be a Beretta CX4 becasue I already reload 9mm(cuz I am poor) and I can't afford an AR, and don't want a Norc. At BGC they sell the Beretta for $700, that is $150 less than a norc AR. And $400 dollars cheaper than the best price I can find in Canada(not including shipping and tax).
