Norinco Greatness

Wilson Combat for years and may still , lists Norincos as a gun they will work on. They would not work on Kimbers.

I used a Norc frame and slide to have Joe Dlask do me a build on a 1911 several years ago. Norinco frames and slides are as good as it gets as far as the steel is concerned. The gun is one of three I would never sell.

Not sure what all the anti Turkey sentiment is all about. Turkey is a member of NATO and a Western Ally in every respect. That aside CZ shotguns are made there and are as good as it gets for the price you pay. The Girsan line of 92F clones are well made and are great value.

I am not sure the Norcs of today are not more hit and miss than in past years. A friend of mine bought an NP29 that was a jam a matic with serious timing issues. The links on the the newer 1911's may or may not be the correct size. There are a lot more good ones than bad which likely describes several value makers these days.....Ruger for instance.

I personally would buy a gently used name brand over new Norcs in most cases today. Why but a Norc copy of a CZ when gently used 75B's can be had for $600 - $700 on the EE. I have seen next to new M&P's go for under $500. Just saying.

The down side to the Norcs is you can't compete with them in the US, something I didn't consider when I had Joe do his magic on my 1911.

The brand does get more folks in to the shooting sports and that is all good.

Take Care

Bob
 
edgy said:
Wow, gotta shake my head at this. I own a small business, cash is always tight, when I decided to enter the AR world the Norc/DA was a fantastic entry price into the game for someone on a limited budget. Since then, the price of " American made" AR's have come down substantially. If they had been $699 a year and a half ago, I'm sure that is what I would own.
In the last 18 months I have had the chance to shoot a few different AR's, some worth thousands of dollars, not one has made me regret the Norc I bought. It has run as good, and in reality, much better than some $2000 jam-o-matics I have seen.
Norc owners don't " justify" owning Norcs any more than Glock guys or any other brand justify owning their firearms.
If you feel that by not buying a Norc you are somehow superior to the " Walmart syndrome" people you refer to,,,, more power to you, but your statement about if you can't afford a quality gun ,then you can't afford to shoot is straight up asinine.
Must be nice to have more money than cents
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X2 I own cheap and expensive guns, buy what you want. If you can't afford Les Baer, I can't, then a norc is OK. When I was buying my Ruger 1911 they were relatively cheap. Today I would probably buy the Norc. I don't own a Norc but not because it is a Norc. I have come very close a couple of times. Main reason I haven't is because I like my firearms finished well. From all the people I know who own Norcs they work well, typically not pretty but reliable and decently accurate. Don't let the snobs put you of. A $400 firearm that works well beats the hell out of no firearm at all.
 
edgy said:
Wow, gotta shake my head at this. I own a small business, cash is always tight, when I decided to enter the AR world the Norc/DA was a fantastic entry price into the game for someone on a limited budget. Since then, the price of " American made" AR's have come down substantially. If they had been $699 a year and a half ago, I'm sure that is what I would own.
In the last 18 months I have had the chance to shoot a few different AR's, some worth thousands of dollars, not one has made me regret the Norc I bought. It has run as good, and in reality, much better than some $2000 jam-o-matics I have seen.
Norc owners don't " justify" owning Norcs any more than Glock guys or any other brand justify owning their firearms.
If you feel that by not buying a Norc you are somehow superior to the " Walmart syndrome" people you refer to,,,, more power to you, but your statement about if you can't afford a quality gun ,then you can't afford to shoot is straight up asinine.
Must be nice to have more money than cents
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Relax Edgy, not the most asinine that has come off his computer. The nice ting about KIDX is he is so predicable and freely dispenses his certainty on all subjects relating to guns and shooting. He is the resident Resetta Stone on gun knowledge here on gunnutz. I suspect he also thinks working minimum wage saves him taxes. Wes B used to say reading his posts just made him stupider. LOL

I own three 1911 Norcs now and none have ever had a jam or an issue of any kind. The used market right now is a good source of quality firearms if you know what you are looking for and wait. The Norc 1911's can be good buys as are the SIG 226 copy and the NZ85's. Nice thing about this country is we do have choices.

Take Care

Bob
ps Spot on about AR's. Thinking seriously about buying the S&W. Seems awfully inexpensive for an AR.
 
Kidd X said:
People suffer from Walmart syndrome
"I don't care if it's low quality, unsafe, supports child labour, human rights abuses, supports enemy states, destroys domestic business, as long as it's cheap i will buy it."

If the cost of a quality firearm is the issue then you don't understand the shooting discipline. Feeding the gun and training are where the expense lies. The gun is a fixed one time cost. If you cant afford a quality gun the you can't afford to shoot at all.

Only norc owners feel compelled to start norc "validation" threads. That should tell you something.
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Yup. The difference between a cheap gun and a good quality one is only a couple cases of ammo. Ammo and optics are by far the most expensive part of guns.
 
Kidd X said:
People suffer from Walmart syndrome
"I don't care if it's low quality, unsafe, supports child labour, human rights abuses, supports enemy states, destroys domestic business, as long as it's cheap i will buy it."

If the cost of a quality firearm is the issue then you don't understand the shooting discipline. Feeding the gun and training are where the expense lies. The gun is a fixed one time cost. If you cant afford a quality gun the you can't afford to shoot at all.

Only norc owners feel compelled to start norc "validation" threads. That should tell you something.
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Hahaha! The smartest, most insightful and profound comments ever., specially those parts in bold......NOT!

Doesn't tell me anything about Norinco owners, but your comment tells me a lot about you!
 
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Canada tail said:
But why don't you stop buying goods made in China and Turkey ? What s the hold up?
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I do. Whenever there is a choice. At this point probably the majority of my possessions are made in the USA, particularly if you go by price. All my larger purchases such as vehicles, guns, and furniture are made in the USA.
 
All I know for sure is that my Norc M305 just keeps going, and going, and going.
I paid $400 for it off the EE.
I'm probably at least the 3rd owner. It's a 2007. It's all original and it just. keeps. shooting.
I have never had so much as a single stoppage.
 
easyrider604 said:
Hahaha! The smartest, most insightful and profound comments ever., specially those parts in bold......NOT!

Doesn't tell me anything about Norinco owners, but your comment tells me a lot about you!
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Sanctimonious attitudes with attempts to denigrate and ghetoize a group of individules based on their personal choices, preferences and/or circumstances tends to make some within said group militant in their defense of their choices and preferences. 500 years ago, there was a thing called the Lutheran Reformation which came about due to similar circumstances; and forced the elitist majority to really rethink things.

Norinco products and their owners are already "Reforming" the face of shooting sports here in Canada and elsewhere; I post on US websites as well, and believe me when I say that they "want" Norinco Firearms.

If their border ever does open up, supply and demand will drive the price up to where there may be no well made, affordable, firearms available.

I'm taking advantage while I can.
 
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Meroh are you sure you are reading the US sentiment right? Sure there are the cultist who see a product they now cannot get new and want but Norinco does not have a serious polymer pistol in their inventory and without it a major portion of the US market is missing.

The Norinco 1911 pistols are excellent build platforms and mostly are reliable shooters, the SIG 226 and NZ85 are, from what I can see, their two best clones. After that the pool gets pretty low. They make a good AR but so do others at close to the same price point.

All that said, Executive Orders are not often reversed in the US and the Norinco ban is not likly going to be reversed. Trump is a good bet to reverse it and he has shown little interest in doing anything in that area.

I have had great luck with my Norcs bought 15 years ago but others have not, particularly with some of the newer examples. The make and the products they sell certainly fills a void in the market and folks who run them and their users down do so out of a sense of arrogance and ignorance, with little basis to do so. Read my signature line. It pretty much sums up my thoughts.

Take Care

Bob
 
MET their 1911 versions are really sought after. I have hear of NIB examples selling for more than $700US. Even well used beat up ones go for a good price.

Take Care

Bob
 
Canuck44 said:
MET their 1911 versions are really sought after. I have hear of NIB examples selling for more than $700US. Even well used beat up ones go for a good price.

Take Care

Bob
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They also have a high regard for the materials used in the Norc M305 as well.
I suspect the Yanks would do a backflip if they could get their hands on Sig 226 Clone or the very well made Norc 1911's for $300 US.
 
The m305 receivers are sought after since the ban. The springfield receiver is like plastic toys yet they call thenselves sf. It almost felt like they stole the name sf and built a whole bunch of low quality products under that name.

Apparently ppl call Norc products including ak,m14,and some pistols "moon rock" in the states
 
edgy said:
Wow, gotta shake my head at this. I own a small business, cash is always tight, when I decided to enter the AR world the Norc/DA was a fantastic entry price into the game for someone on a limited budget. Since then, the price of " American made" AR's have come down substantially. If they had been $699 a year and a half ago, I'm sure that is what I would own.
In the last 18 months I have had the chance to shoot a few different AR's, some worth thousands of dollars, not one has made me regret the Norc I bought. It has run as good, and in reality, much better than some $2000 jam-o-matics I have seen.
Norc owners don't " justify" owning Norcs any more than Glock guys or any other brand justify owning their firearms.
If you feel that by not buying a Norc you are somehow superior to the " Walmart syndrome" people you refer to,,,, more power to you, but your statement about if you can't afford a quality gun ,then you can't afford to shoot is straight up asinine.
Must be nice to have more money than cents
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There is no "entry gun" you simply bought what you had cash for without exercising some discipline and saving more money for a better product. A limited budget is an issue, but as I posted if you can't afford a quality gun then you will struggle to afford to feed it or train with it. The gun is a fixed cost, the ammo and useage of it is not.

A gun costing thousands does not mean it is of quality make or manufacture, it means it cost several thousand. There are plenty of low quality guns and parts being sold at insanely high prices. Custom builds suffer from poor assembly issues as well. Comparing an expensive unknown quality rifle to a low cost low quality rifle is not a fair comparison and does not support your position.

grinder08 said:
X2 I own cheap and expensive guns, buy what you want. If you can't afford Les Baer, I can't, then a norc is OK. When I was buying my Ruger 1911 they were relatively cheap. Today I would probably buy the Norc. I don't own a Norc but not because it is a Norc. I have come very close a couple of times. Main reason I haven't is because I like my firearms finished well. From all the people I know who own Norcs they work well, typically not pretty but reliable and decently accurate. Don't let the snobs put you of. A $400 firearm that works well beats the hell out of no firearm at all.
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So you admit the finish on the Norc is sh*t which means it is a low quality gun. Aside from the low cost and low quality of Norc firearms there is the other end of the spectrum of very high cost with little improvement firearms, like a Les Baer. A lot of money for a name but near zero improvement over a quality built 1911 like a Colt, Kimber, even a Springfield. I will digress in that I am not a 1911 fan, they're grossly outdated and inferior to all pistols except revolvers. You are correct, a $400 gun that works is better than any gun that does not or no gun at all. The problem is that Norc doesn't make a $400 gun that works..

Canuck44 said:
Relax Edgy, not the most asinine that has come off his computer. The nice ting about KIDX is he is so predicable and freely dispenses his certainty on all subjects relating to guns and shooting. He is the resident Resetta Stone on gun knowledge here on gunnutz. I suspect he also thinks working minimum wage saves him taxes. Wes B used to say reading his posts just made him stupider. LOL

I own three 1911 Norcs now and none have ever had a jam or an issue of any kind. The used market right now is a good source of quality firearms if you know what you are looking for and wait. The Norc 1911's can be good buys as are the SIG 226 copy and the NZ85's. Nice thing about this country is we do have choices.

Take Care

Bob
ps Spot on about AR's. Thinking seriously about buying the S&W. Seems awfully inexpensive for an AR.
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Bob it's Rosetta Stone, not Resetta Stone.
Working min wage doesn't really save you anything as you're still poor.
How many rounds through your Norcs Bob? Have you ever taken a high round count class/course?

cadgo said:
Yup. The difference between a cheap gun and a good quality one is only a couple cases of ammo. Ammo and optics are by far the most expensive part of guns.
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Glad to see there are some who get it. I bet you learned the hard way like most of us. Too bad more people won't listen to that hard earned wisdom..:wave:

lavino said:
I dunno... even I like my T97 but I bet you anything if my T97 and my friend's Tavor both blow up at the same time I would have less tears on my face compare to him.
Cheap guns has a reason to exist.
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This is an absolutely retarded comparison and weak attempt to validate your low dollar low quality gun. Let's ad some reality, I bet your T97 will blow up long before the Tavor does.

Travis Bickle said:
All I know for sure is that my Norc M305 just keeps going, and going, and going.
I paid $400 for it off the EE.
I'm probably at least the 3rd owner. It's a 2007. It's all original and it just. keeps. shooting.
I have never had so much as a single stoppage.
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Do tell how many hundred rounds you've put through the rifle?
 
It is a shame when a thread degrades to slinging insults at people who are happy doing their own thing, just because their idea of happiness does not meet an others definition of happiness.
 
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