Notice to S&W M&P 15-22 Rifle Owners

Nigma said:
If I pin the mags and they show up at my door and REFUSE the pinned mags, can I still be charged with possession of an illegal device?
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YES YOU CAN, THEY WILL SAY IT IS UP TO THE COURT TO DECIDE AND TAKE ALL YOUR GOODIES UNTIL THE TRIAL.

Nigma said:
Also, from what you're saying, there is NO WAY for someone to not take a risk here - or am i getting you wrong?
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You are getting me exactly correctly. There is no way out of it. The registry guarantees that they know who has the rifle, and they know it ships with the magazine. It being restricted fully guarantees that you have to have it stored at home, which now gives them the authority to destroy your house to look for the magazine that they know you have because you have the gun. This is the start of a VERY BIG problem that will continue to grow unless we make this the line in the sand issue.
 
So has anyone successfully pinned one of these mags? I'm tempted to just destroy my 25 rounder and wait for someone to bring in the 10 round ones. I guess I should keep the remains as proof instead of just throwing it away if the Gestapo is tearing apart dwellings in their zeal to find a piece of plastic.
 
mmattockx said:
That depends on where you shoot, doesn't it? As I mentioned earlier, I had originally held off on buying one because of the classification but I have realized that I shoot 95% or more of my rounds at a range. I almost never go plinking in the bush because the range is closer and I shoot my handguns more than rifles. At that point, a restricted rimfire carbine is no problem at all.

Mark
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Lucky Albertan!....:p......;)
 
Here's a letter I sent to Smith & Wesson regarding the RCMP's decision.

To Whom it May Concern,

It is with great disappointment that I am writing to you regarding the Canadian Firearms Center's unilateral decision to move the 25 round magazine that ships with your company's M&P 15-22 rifle to Prohibited Status. It seems that because the magazine is also utilized in your recently released M&P 15-22 Pistol, the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, who administrate the Canadian Firearms Center, has deemed the Magazine a "Pistol Magazine" that must be limited to 10 rounds. There is no restriction in Canada on limits for Rimfire rifle magazines, so this puts us in a very unfortunate position. Though Smith and Wesson does manufacture a 10 round restricted magazine for California, we would hope that you could find some way to accommodate Canadian shooters. I know we do not make up a huge percentage of your civilian sales, but we are in a struggle here in Canada with the powers that be in regards to our over-legislated gun control laws. We are facing more and more restrictions everyday and though we are doing our best to form strong and well funded groups to oppose these restrictions, any help that we could receive so that we can further enjoy our chosen sport and interests would be greatly received. I myself own the M&P 15-22 rifle and with over 2000 rounds through it, I have had no issues with the rifle. It is a fine gun. I also shoot your M&P9 9mm pistol for practical pistol shooting and must say that it has served me well at over 3000 rounds without a failure of any kind.

We in Canada have a great love of the shooting sports and Smith & Wesson's fine products. We would sincerely appreciate any help you can give us on this front, as we endeavor to achieve some semblance of the freedoms held sacred by our beloved neighbors to the south.

Thank you for your time and attention.
Please keep making your great products!

Sincerely,
 
cyclone said:
Lucky Albertan!....:p......;)
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Maybe. I just think it means I live too far from the bush. The range is about 45 minutes away, while good crown land is well over an hour.

This year I have done a lot of load development for several rifles, so the range has been preferred for that work as well. I normally don't shoot much centerfire rifle, the vast majority of my rifle practice is rimfire.

Mark
 
mmattockx said:
That depends on where you shoot, doesn't it? As I mentioned earlier, I had originally held off on buying one because of the classification but I have realized that I shoot 95% or more of my rounds at a range. I almost never go plinking in the bush because the range is closer and I shoot my handguns more than rifles. At that point, a restricted rimfire carbine is no problem at all.

Mark
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What range is that? Olds?

dieseldog said:
Aside from it only being able to legally hold 10 rounds now which sucks for a rimfire rifle I dont see the big deal.Pin them to hold 10 rounds.Do you think every one turned in or destroyed their 20 and 30 round AR mags when the law changed to 10 rounds.No they pinned them to legal specs.Sure the RCMP flip flop is of concern and presidence but am I wrong in suggesting converting to satisfy the law.Why can someone not manufacture a new rifle magazine for this one say like a 25 round butler creek and list it as for the MP22 rifle only.Thanks--Dieseldog!:stirthepot2:
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That's right, roll over and take it like a good submissive subject.
 
I gave the Alberta CFO a call, I was calling to get a short term for a new restricted but while I had someone on the line I asked if they had heard anything about this. The lady said she hadn't heard anything but gave me the 1-800 number and extension to get in contact with the firearms techs in Ottawa to see if they know anything about it. I might call and see what they say but as far as I'm concerned if my CFO has heard nothing I'm not going to go into panic mode and start pinning or destroying my mags.
 
So I had a dull lunch break and called the tech in Ottawa. The guy I talked to first (not a tech) checked the table and said as far as he understands it since the rifle was manufactured first as long as you don't have the pistol registered your fine at 25 but when I asked to double check he then put me through to an actual tech who said because its a dual purpose mag it now has to be pinned to 10.

So there you go, pinned to 10. Excuse me while I vent >.<
 
TacticalTrunkMonkey said:
So I had a dull lunch break and called the tech in Ottawa. The guy I talked to first (not a tech) checked the table and said as far as he understands it since the rifle was manufactured first as long as you don't have the pistol registered your fine at 25 but when I asked to double check he then put me through to an actual tech who said because its a dual purpose mag it now has to be pinned to 10.

So there you go, pinned to 10. Excuse me while I vent >.<
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There you go. Nothing has changed. This has been the law the whole time. I don't know why people think this is being submissive. I'll stand and fight with the next guy when they take things away from us but this really didn't happen here. On the flip side since the LAR15 mag is not dual purpose we can use it in our ARs. Laws work for and against us all the time.
 
mmattockx said:
Yep, Mountain View Marksman's Association.

http://www.mvmarksmans.com/index.html

Mark
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Thought so. I'm thinking of not renewing my membership next year and buying the Service rifle membership out at Sibbald. Same distance for me to Sibbald as to Olds with the benefit of a camp ground and 900m range. Although, the multi use bays and 90 degree range at Olds are pretty outstanding.
 
cbabes said:
There you go. Nothing has changed. This has been the law the whole time. I don't know why people think this is being submissive. I'll stand and fight with the next guy when they take things away from us but this really didn't happen here. On the flip side since the LAR15 mag is not dual purpose we can use it in our ARs. Laws work for and against us all the time.
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With all due respect :yingyang: , there's a fair bit of "jerking us around" (sorry for being crude in saying that :redface: ) all "in the name of semantics" :( - that the RCMP are at all playing games of this nature with the S&W actually highlights a much larger issue, namely, the multiple obstacles and paperwork that the "techs" deliberately seeks to impose on firearms manufacturers (let alone on firearm purchasers)...

Case in point - notice how difficult it has been for Kel-Tec products to come into Canada (this has been verified by Kel-Tec's own statements)? This S&W issue is - IMHO - all part of the same package deal of deceit & red-tape that "the techs" have been steadily (force) feeding us....:wave:...there's law, and then there's its niggling, petty and discretionary interpretations that can flow from it.
 
cyclone said:
With all due respect :yingyang: , there's a fair bit of "jerking us around" (sorry for being crude in saying that :redface: ) all "in the name of semantics" :( - that the RCMP are at all playing games of this nature with the S&W actually highlights a much larger issue, namely, the multiple obstacles and paperwork that the "techs" deliberately seeks to impose on firearms manufacturers (let alone on firearm purchasers)...

Case in point - notice how difficult it has been for Kel-Tec products to come into Canada (this has been verified by Kel-Tec's own statements)? This S&W issue is - IMHO - all part of the same package deal of deceit & red-tape that "the techs" have been steadily (force) feeding us....:wave:...there's law, and then there's its niggling, petty and discretionary interpretations that can flow from it.
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LEGALLY speaking, if we *needed* to surrender them, what is the MOST expensive way that we could proceed in order for the authorities to verify our compliance? Ex. Could I just decide to give them up and request that someone pickup up the offending articles since I'll probably end up hurting myself or someone else (since they're prohibited devices)? I was thinking of encasing them in a bucket or drum of cement. They could then jackhammer it to verify its destruction.
 
cyclone said:
Case in point - notice how difficult it has been for Kel-Tec products to come into Canada (this has been verified by Kel-Tec's own statements)? This S&W issue is - IMHO - all part of the same package deal of deceit & red-tape that "the techs" have been steadily (force) feeding us....:wave:...there's law, and .
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Kel_tec's problems haven't started yet... Their statements to date have had to do with the US side.. getting their export permits in place.
 
I would imagine that this is going to hurt the sale of the rifle and the pistol. I have two pistols on order and am definitely going to reconsider, unless another proper magazine that is not $100.00 is going to be made available.
 
i'm thinking if none of the legal eagles give me any ideas and i'll likely encase it in a 4x4 block of cement at the end of the driveway. I'll put a wrapping paper tube so they can verify the mag are in fact there. Can't be too cautious you know.
 
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