Notice to S&W M&P 15-22 Rifle Owners

TacticalTrunkMonkey said:
So I had a dull lunch break and called the tech in Ottawa. The guy I talked to first (not a tech) checked the table and said as far as he understands it since the rifle was manufactured first as long as you don't have the pistol registered your fine at 25 but when I asked to double check he then put me through to an actual tech who said because its a dual purpose mag it now has to be pinned to 10.

So there you go, pinned to 10. Excuse me while I vent >.<
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Lets say I don't own the pistol. Wonder if this will still apply. I know what was said by tech, but they don't always know better.....;)
 
"Dual Purpose" magazine is a new path they are taking. I recently encountered it. They must sit all day and try to figure out ways of restricting under the current regs.
 
CanAm said:
"Dual Purpose" magazine is a new path they are taking. I recently encountered it. They must sit all day and try to figure out ways of restricting under the current regs.
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Hmm, I'm guessing that may affect some happy fun times. Still, I'll be buying one with 5 round mags if and when it lands.
 
Well,

This seems to be the same rule we got our LAR-15 magazines under that let AR owners use 10 round pistol mags in their AR-15's.

Seems like the turn-around has some back-lash.

NS
 
locgo said:
LEGALLY speaking, if we *needed* to surrender them, what is the MOST expensive way that we could proceed in order for the authorities to verify our compliance? Ex. Could I just decide to give them up and request that someone pickup up the offending articles since I'll probably end up hurting myself or someone else (since they're prohibited devices)? I was thinking of encasing them in a bucket or drum of cement. They could then jackhammer it to verify its destruction.
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If you go out of yourway to screw the cops they will go out of their way to screw you, probably by tossing your whole house to ensure that you've surrendered all of the prohibited items.
 
This term "dual purpose mag" can have some problems IF they don't stop at the whole "marketed for both" term.

If they break out of how it's marketed the LAR15 mag would come under fire.

And then there are ones like PX4 and CX4 mags. Granted mags stamped CX4 need to be pinned to 5 instead of 10.
 
locgo said:
Yeah, that's probably what would happen *if* I decided to take a principled stance.
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That's true, when one takes a principled stance, they are usually left standing alone and freezing with only pain and misery to show for their efforts.

Now if everyone who owned the gun (or ever owned any gun at all) took that same principled stance, then you might have something there. But we all know where that leads (cough, cough, FEDUP I and FEDUP II, cough, cough, shameful joke on ourselves, cough, cough).
 
butters01 said:
Why not just prohib the new pistol? cou:

I'd rather see that then take away the 25 shot clip on the riffle!
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You need to learn a bit more about the Firearms Act (do some reading) :)

The pistol is not an issue and there is no basis in law to classify the Pistol as Prohibited... there is however a basis in law for classifying the Pistol Magazine as a "Prohibited Device" when that magazine holds more than 10 shots of the ammunition for which it was designed and manufactured.

In this case the RCMP (based on S&W's own assertions) has ruled that that one particular S&W Magazine (part # specified previously) is in fact a Handgun Magazine and therefore limited to 10 shot capacity and if it is not limited to 10 shots then it is classified as a "Prohibited Device"... regardless of the firearm in which it is subsequently used.

Mark
 
this thing is barely a pistol. S&W just removed the butt-stock and cut the barrel to 6", everything else is the same as the rifle
 
luke s said:
this thing is barely a pistol. S&W just removed the butt-stock and cut the barrel to 6", everything else is the same as the rifle
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Intended for US requirements. If it had a buttstock, short barrel equals Short Barrelled Rifle, subject to federal registration and $200 transfer tax. So, Smith markets it as a pistol.
 
I talked to CFO today and they stated their is no such information in their system regarding it. I was also forwarded to a firearms technician on this 1 800-731-4000 and he stated their is no such update in their system. Anyone has a link about this issue. It it is stated in some of the pages on the thread, I apologise I can not find the link anywhere asserting it is a prohibited device.
Considering the CFO said, that is is not one or may be he did not know where to check. I am owner of this rifle, frustrating as it is, anyone able to provide a link for this prohibition of this mags.
 
kumartypes said:
I talked to CFO today and they stated their is no such information in their system regarding it. I was also forwarded to a firearms technician on this 1 800-731-4000 and he stated their is no such update in their system. Anyone has a link about this issue. It it is stated in some of the pages on the thread, I apologise I can not find the link anywhere asserting it is a prohibited device.
Considering the CFO said, that is is not one or may be he did not know where to check. I am owner of this rifle, frustrating as it is, anyone able to provide a link for this prohibition of this mags.
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Call your CFO back and ask that person to look up the on-line FRT and under either the M&P15-22 rifle or the M&P15-22P pistol ask them to select the tab on the FRT screen that is called "Additional Notes"... and ask him to read you what it says there... what he will see on his screen is what Business Firearm License holds can read and it's what I quoted in the original post of this thread... it is the statement that the S&W 25 round magazine is limited to 10 shots even when used in the rifle configuration.

Once he's read that to you then ask him if that means the magazine is legal if it holds 25 shots.

I wish I could give you the link but the link goes to a password protected site that can only be accessed by Business Firearms License holders. Any dealer can go on-line and check this out for you.

Mark
 
Thanks for the reply. I wonder how if anything would sent to the registered owners with regards to this. I understand what you mean now. It is indeed rather discomforting being in possession of these magazines.
 
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