NR 3 gun options?

[Epoxy7]

Timney Trigger, Lilja Barrel, JP Buffer... these are not quality components to you?

Curious as to what your choice for a NR 3 Gun rifle would be? Or did you just come here to troll as well?

DPMS bolt carrier group with notch cut and likely DPMS lower parts kit other than the trigger. Pins springs etc most likely DPMS.

It's likely the best choice right now if you have to have non restricted but you can't really call it high end when the heart is DPMS.

If it didn't have to be non restricted you could build this easily. ASA upper with ambi lower and the same parts list. There you go, same rifle only restricted and maybe not as "pretty". Or you could go higher end with an ADCOR and match it to KAC/LMT lower. Same features.

This isn't meant to detract from your accomplishments. It works for you. Good stuff! But in regards to a technical discussion there are some things not being mentioned. A frank discussion includes all the facts.

 

[Kidd X]

Fair enough. Tavor is certainly an interesting rifle, though I have yet to see anyone be truly competitive with one either in Canada or stateside. Its all fun and games though so have at it if that's what floats your boat! Hard to *prove* quality one way or the other on an internet forumn, can't exactly look up the consumer reports page on the MV... personally I find my MV to be of excelent quality. If we are talking specifically the receiver set... it blows my Daniel Defense and XCR out of the water. Tight fit, threaded pins instead of roll pins for things like the bolt release, charging handle track is nitrided steel and could be removed/replaced in the unlikely event it were damaged... Comparable to any high end AR-15 Billet set. Matched up with the quality components I guess I'm not really sure what else someone would need to assess quality?

Side charging upper- Personal choice
Tight fitting upper and lower- No performance gain just personal preference
Threaded pins over roll pins- No performance gain just personal preference(why I'm not sure)
Nitrided and removable/replaceable charge handle track- Absolutely not necessary and overly complex for no performance gain.
The trigger, buffer and barrel are components you can have on any AR.

I applaud the non res status but it's just not worth the additional $4000 over a tried and true AR15 and it is far from budget friendly.

 

[Brian46]

Lol, listen to this tough guy .

not sure why I am a "tough guy" for pointing out the obvious misses in a match with spotters when another poster (the one I quoted) said you "shoot well" with it.

I guess we now should have the person I quoted define what he means by "shoot well" because to me, not hitting the target at all is not "well"

Thanks for your post though, very enlightening

 

[mikethebike]

Point of all this is: We're all trolls if we ask questions. Dont ask questions. Besides whatever I should know better by now with CGN drama, ill wait till tvpp, dilli or onetwenty buys one for an assessment.

 

[Brian46]

Point of all this is: We're all trolls if we ask questions. Dont ask questions. Besides whatever I should know better by now with CGN drama

pretty sad that this is what it comes down to with a lot of stuff. You try and research stuff and ask questions before buying and people either lose it thinking you are trying to say ****** product is junk or they flat out lie about the performance so you are baited into wasting money trying it out yourself.

I have bought a lot of firearms just because nobody will give a straight answer and I need to find out for myself, It's a costly endeavor and usually ends with it being put up for sale because It is not as good or better than what I already have for my needs. Many don't even get fired as they don't even pass my own quality control and function expectations enough to even bother. You guys already know I am a picky SOB when it comes to quality and function but that is my right.

 

[Sqr]

Ok I'm going to ask a silly question. Does anybody use a mini in 3 gun?

 

[mikethebike]

Ok I'm going to ask a silly question. Does anybody use a mini in 3 gun?

that would be awesome! or even better an sks! no wait the ultimate a garand with n blocks!

 

[BeerBaron]

Side charging upper- Personal choice
Tight fitting upper and lower- No performance gain just personal preference
Threaded pins over roll pins- No performance gain just personal preference(why I'm not sure)
Nitrided and removable/replaceable charge handle track- Absolutely not necessary and overly complex for no performance gain.
The trigger, buffer and barrel are components you can have on any AR.

I applaud the non res status but it's just not worth the additional $4000 over a tried and true AR15 and it is far from budget friendly.

Better check your math on that statement... my MV was around $4000 all in, certainly not $4000 over the cost of my Daniel Defense.

DPMS bolt carrier group with notch cut and likely DPMS lower parts kit other than the trigger. Pins springs etc most likely DPMS.

It's likely the best choice right now if you have to have non restricted but you can't really call it high end when the heart is DPMS.

If it didn't have to be non restricted you could build this easily. ASA upper with ambi lower and the same parts list. There you go, same rifle only restricted and maybe not as "pretty". Or you could go higher end with an ADCOR and match it to KAC/LMT lower. Same features.

This isn't meant to detract from your accomplishments. It works for you. Good stuff! But in regards to a technical discussion there are some things not being mentioned. A frank discussion includes all the facts.

Fair enough, I would have sprung for a higher end BCG if it were available as an option. I may still find one and have it modified. As far as the lower parts... Can't tell who made them for sure, but everything works just fine on mine so I don't really have any complaints. I think if you add up the cost of a billet receiver set of your choice and similar components I don't think the price will be that out of line. Could you build/buy an excellent 3-gun AR-15 for less... absolutely, but that wasn't the question.

We wouldn't be having this discussion if the AR was NR in Canada.

not sure why I am a "tough guy" for pointing out the obvious misses in a match with spotters when another poster (the one I quoted) said you "shoot well" with it.

I guess we now should have the person I quoted define what he means by "shoot well" because to me, not hitting the target at all is not "well"

Thanks for your post though, very enlightening

I guess its easy to critique over the internet... have any videos shooting your NR 3 gun rifle of choice you care to share? On that train of thought (and trying to get back on topic...) what would your choice for a NR 3 gun rifle be?

pretty sad that this is what it comes down to with a lot of stuff. You try and research stuff and ask questions before buying and people either lose it thinking you are trying to say ****** product is junk or they flat out lie about the performance so you are baited into wasting money trying it out yourself.

I have bought a lot of firearms just because nobody will give a straight answer and I need to find out for myself, It's a costly endeavor and usually ends with it being put up for sale because It is not as good or better than what I already have for my needs. Many don't even get fired as they don't even pass my own quality control and function expectations enough to even bother. You guys already know I am a picky SOB when it comes to quality and function but that is my right.

I'm happy to answer any question with regards to my submission for this thread. I simply hoped to provide a video for your enjoyment showing one of the many NR 3 gun rifles we now have as options in Canada.

 

[Kidd X]

Better check your math on that statement... my MV was around $4000 all in, certainly not $4000 over the cost of my Daniel Defense...

Sorry, I might be thinking of the Modern Hunter. So your MV cost DOUBLE what a well equipped AR costs. That's a lot of money for a non res status.

 

[Brian46]

I guess its easy to critique over the internet... have any videos shooting your NR 3 gun rifle of choice you care to share? On that train of thought (and trying to get back on topic...) what would your choice for a NR 3 gun rifle be?

what does having to provide a video of myself shooting 3 gun have to do with me saying not hitting the target multiple times as clearly shown in your video is not "shooting well"?

It seems you are just trying to bait an argument for the sake of arguing. I have many targets I have shot at 300 meters, lots even with zero misses. are you trying to say that ones performance is hindered simply because it is a competition? or is there a valid point as to why I have to post a video of myself to be able to say missing a target multiple times at 300m is not "shooting well"

I'm happy to answer any question with regards to my submission for this thread. I simply hoped to provide a video for your enjoyment showing one of the many NR 3 gun rifles we now have as options in Canada.

Thanks for doing so, sorry if you took offense to my critique of another posters comment in regard to your video. Maybe let him chime in so we know what he meant by "shoot well" as I obviously have a different expectation when I say i "shoot well" or not

 

[Brian46]

double

 

[BeerBaron]

what does a video of me having to provide a video of myself shooting 3 gun have to do with me saying not hitting the target multiple times as clearly shown in your video is not "shooting well"?

It seems you are just trying to bait an argument for the sake of arguing. I have many targets I have shot at 300 meters, lots even with zero misses. are you trying to say that ones performance is hindered simply because it is a competition? or is there a valid point as to why I have to post a video of myself to be able to say missing a target multiple times at 300m is not "shooting well"

I'm still trying to figure out what my shooting ability (or lack there of in your opinion) has to do with this thread at all, so I'm not sure how you think I'm trying to bait you haha.

Still wondering what your choice for a NR 3 gun rifle is? (you know... like the OP asked....)

 

[Runningfool]

not sure why I am a "tough guy" for pointing out the obvious misses in a match with spotters when another poster (the one I quoted) said you "shoot well" with it.

I guess we now should have the person I quoted define what he means by "shoot well" because to me, not hitting the target at all is not "well"

After seeing the video and reading post 39 and 40, I would say he shot that stage pretty well.
You were judging his shooting without really knowing much other than the limited perspective of that video...it's not unreasonable then for someone to refer to you as an internet "tough guy"....some might even have other names.

 

[mikethebike]

well its true that during a comp you are way way more stressed out, thats fair.
its also true that some products are better than others.
And also true that some shooters are way better than others.

I really am being genuine in asking if the mv is worth it though, im not being a d!ck, i know its hard to believe me cause Im a d!ck a lot, but I am really serious I need to know if the mv is worth my time.

 

[XTGUN]

XCR competition model. Very nice balance and some of the best ergonomics out there.

 

[Onagoth]

I thought the stage was well shot. Long range rifle misses aren't rare by any means in 3 gun.... Although the targets weren't overly far, very few can go 1 for 1 on steel when the clock is running

 

[Brian46]

I'm still trying to figure out what my shooting ability (or lack there of in your opinion) has to do with this thread at all, so I'm not sure how you think I'm trying to bait you haha.

my comment was in reply to another posters comment, they should be the one you should be directing questions at if you do not like the direction their comments have taken the thread

Just because a guy likes his MV and shoots well with it

 

[Brian46]

After seeing the video and reading post 39 and 40, I would say he shot that stage pretty well.
You were judging his shooting without really knowing much other than the limited perspective of that video...it's not unreasonable then for someone to refer to you as an internet "tough guy"....some might even have other names.

It must be nice to take posts with information into account that were made after my comment as a means to discredit my opinion on the limited information at hand when I made it known

 

[BeerBaron]

well its true that during a comp you are way way more stressed out, thats fair.
its also true that some products are better than others.
And also true that some shooters are way better than others.

I really am being genuine in asking if the mv is worth it though, im not being a d!ck, i know its hard to believe me cause Im a d!ck a lot, but I am really serious I need to know if the mv is worth my time.

Worth is highly subjective... especially when dealing with a high end firearm. My XCR ran great for ~4000 rounds, with the exception of one broken firing pin. Do I think the MV is 'worth it' over the XCR? For me, yes it is. I value the AR-esque customization and ergonomics, as well as the better fit and finish (subjective and doesn't affect performance ya ya I know... but its still 'worth' it to me), match trigger and barrel etc. Does that mean the next person will place the same value/worth on these things... of course not.

 

[Brian46]

I really am being genuine in asking if the mv is worth it though, im not being a d!ck, i know its hard to believe me cause Im a d!ck a lot, but I am really serious I need to know if the mv is worth my time.

I have asked the same, waiting for someone else I know to buy first as info out there is..... well........, doesn't exist