PCC pick of the litter?

For straight blowbacks cleaning away carbon is a way of life. So a criteria that is of value to PCC owners is fast and easy disassembly (field stripping to bolt removal for cleaning, protection, lubrication etc).

Ideally a PCC should offer a tooless takedown process that involves as few steps as possible, resulting in minimal loose parts and potential for damage, while the operator can quickly learn to reassemble with limited or zero visibility.

Mostly thanks to YouTube creators here is a shortlist. Note, some models may have changed? This list is limited to Canadian models I've seen in my local shops in 2023 (non-restricted, no exotics) and ordered by ~MSRP:

Vector: tooless, fast
Raven: tooless, fast, simple
FX-9: tooless, fast, simple
JRC: toolbox and time
K-9: tooless, fast, simple
Ruger PCC: toolbox and time
ASR: tooless, fast
FPC: tooless, fast, simple
S2K: tooless, fast, simple
M1-9: toolbox and time
995TS: toolbox and time
 
Took my FPC to the range. Excellent rifle up to 50 yards. I don’t have any experience with any other PCC except a lever gun.

Always wanted an MPX until Justy the clown came along.
 
FluffyFM said:
Any pcc besides the kodiak pcc is good. Get whatever one you like the most they will all be reliable except for the kodiak k9.
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Unless I get more negative reviews on the Kodiak K9, she's my #1 pick. So far, all said has been good, except this one post.

Including what I've read on Youtube and Google.
 
trebor2880 said:
Unless I get more negative reviews on the Kodiak K9, she's my #1 pick. So far, all said has been good, except this one post.

Including what I've read on Youtube and Google.
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Likewise I am now converging towards a K-9 for my next buy, despite when I first saw it on the racks I instantly rejected it because Kodiak.

On my paper-analysis the K-9 scores very well, pushing out the popular Ruger on ergos and disassembly, while being significantly cheaper than the Platinum Raven with a similar featureset. The FX-9 is closest competitor but more money and scarcer. The K-9 holds well, online reviews are few but positive, and although I haven't shot it I am very tempted by the price point - I see it for sale this week at $1,000.
 
You are buying a gun that should last you a lifetime or at least 10 years. For about $20 a year you can get an FX 9. The Kodiak has a lot of proprietary parts that you might want to change over time. Get the Gold Raven and add to it as funds permit. If you just can't see spending more than a grand get the Ruger PCC. It is solid, reliable as the sunrise and the two I have had were scary accurate. But the plain Jane version for a, grand and you won't ever regret it.

Take Care

Bob
 
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trebor2880 said:
Unless I get more negative reviews on the Kodiak K9, she's my #1 pick. So far, all said has been good, except this one post.

Including what I've read on Youtube and Google.
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It's more or less the company itself, Kodiak has a long track record of making guns that don't work and they don't fix them. Customers of theirs have had to outsource their own custom hardware to get replacements like stripped screws that they would not sell to them or even tell them what size they are. The gun itself is relatively simple like any blowback pcc is, I just can't support that company anymore after seeing how they treat their customers, even me. I had a wk180 and tried to get warranty help, but never got anyone to respond to me after plenty of emails.
 
joemanco said:
Likewise I am now converging towards a K-9 for my next buy, despite when I first saw it on the racks I instantly rejected it because Kodiak.

On my paper-analysis the K-9 scores very well, pushing out the popular Ruger on ergos and disassembly, while being significantly cheaper than the Platinum Raven with a similar featureset. The FX-9 is closest competitor but more money and scarcer. The K-9 holds well, online reviews are few but positive, and although I haven't shot it I am very tempted by the price point - I see it for sale this week at $1,000.
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I think $1k is where it needs to be. I’ve got one on the way. Couldn’t stand the ergonomics of the Ruger. Kriss wasn’t much better for me. Just chunky in all the wrong places…
Hoping for the best with the K9.
 
BigRobb said:
... Couldn’t stand the ergonomics of the Ruger. Kriss wasn’t much better for me. Just chunky in all the wrong places…...
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You're not the only one: See if you can handle the S&W FPC, KelTec Sub2000, and even the HiPoint 995. Balance and handling on these are in a different class from the other options - By locating the magazine in the grip, overall length is reduced and the balance point is moved toward the operator. For me, there's a night and day difference.
 
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I just jumped on the Sub2k sale, and a bunch of Mcarbo upgrades. I'll sell the ugliest PCC ever, lol. It will go back in the traditional stock, and I'll sell the Midwest Industries chassis and Ruger adjustable stock together or separate.
 
Going through this thread now. I too am looking for a good 9mm carbine. Looking to spend around $2-3k including case and scope. I was thinking the Ruger but havent had a good look yet. Seems a lot Ive read about the Ruger is that it seems best all around.
 
Going through this thread now. I too am looking for a good 9mm carbine. Looking to spend around $2-3k including case and scope. I was thinking the Ruger (pistol grip one) but havent had a good look yet. Seems a lot Ive read about the Ruger is that it seems best all around. I see many without that pistol grip and wonder what the differences are there.
 
Ordered the Ruger Magpul backpacker, same color as my 10/22. I’m going to check out the sticky post, but are there any recommended upgrades to do (sort of like the bolt buffer and trigger on the 10/22)? I picked up the Mcarbo SS recoil spring retainer, trigger/bolt/extractor pins, shock buffer, extractor. Not sure if there’s other things worth getting too… the extended magazine release and bolt stop seemed interesting, but more in the “nice to have” category, instead of the “improved dependably”?
 
Pringlescanopen said:
Going through this thread now. I too am looking for a good 9mm carbine. Looking to spend around $2-3k including case and scope. I was thinking the Ruger (pistol grip one) but havent had a good look yet. Seems a lot Ive read about the Ruger is that it seems best all around. I see many without that pistol grip and wonder what the differences are there.
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I strongly recommend that you try to handle a few in person. Handling doesn't seem to matter to everyone, but you might be one of those people that do care. I find all the Ruger PC Carbine models to be needlessly heavy overall, and much too nose-heavy for good handling. The pistol grip version is the worst of the Ruger models on both of those counts.

Also, the pistol grip version doesn't have iron sights, and it can't easily be fitted with BUIS, if that matters to you. The only real advantage with that version is the ability to change to any AR-compatible grip and buttstock.

If you're willing to spend $2-3k, I'd say you should really consider other options.
 
aboynamedsuita said:
Ordered the Ruger Magpul backpacker... I’m going to check out the sticky post, but are there any recommended upgrades to do ...
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No. Try it in the stock format first so you know what you're dealing with.

MCARBO products are generally about ergonomics and feel (and can be worth it for those purposes). As far as reliability goes, they are generally solutions to non-existent problems. If the rifle doesn't work properly out of the box, it needs warranty service (not aftermarket parts).
 
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