PDW builds - Lets see them, and share results

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Heres mine. I should dig up other pics of it but this is one I took while selling it. I had a chunk of aluminum made to lock the quad rail in place and to look like a AR SD model. The barrel was only 10.5 inches and the quad rail went to within an inch of the muzzle. The scope is a 2.5-10x32 night force.
 
wicked_police said:
No, you're the first to try and call someone out when you don't know who they are, or what they do.

Now you try to take your feet out of your mouth by suggesting pictures should be posted? Nice try.
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That's not the first time that stock has been called out as a plagiarized or stolen design. I can't remember who did it last time.

I actually think it is kind of ####ty to do that. Don't know why people have to try and discredit things out in the open like that. Internet white-knighting as far as I'm concerned. PMs are a good place for that.

I am patiently waiting for NEA to release that stock into the wild. Hopefully it will be available on a rifle built in-house.
 
wicked_police said:
No, you're the first to try and call someone out when you don't know who they are, or what they do.

Now you try to take your feet out of your mouth by suggesting pictures should be posted? Nice try.
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(i have to appologize the the keyboard Ièm typing on. Itès got some strange configurations)

Anyways, this isnt a military forum and the vast majority of us on here are civilians so without someones resume out in the open for everyone to see, whos to know who anyone is. Some of us could work for the government in a lot of difference capacities and youd never know it. I dont feel bad for calling a critic out no matter who he works for. If you think something is a piece of sh!t, show your kit off and if you dont have your own, post a pic of something youd like to own someday. That all being said, theres a lot of guys that get to carry guns around everyday as part of their job that dont even have a firearms license so just because youve gone somewhere and done that, it doesnt mean your some sort of expert on customizing guns or even have an interest for that matter. Its their job to use the tools given to them, not customize the crap out of them.
 
FastFord58 said:
That's not the first time that stock has been called out as a plagiarized or stolen design. I can't remember who did it last time.

I actually think it is kind of s**tty to do that. Don't know why people have to try and discredit things out in the open like that. Internet white-knighting as far as I'm concerned. PMs are a good place for that.

I am patiently waiting for NEA to release that stock into the wild. Hopefully it will be available on a rifle built in-house.
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WP comment is of Glockaholics comment towards Big Red. Not about the stock.
 
Glock-a-maniac said:
(i have to appologize the the keyboard Ièm typing on. Itès got some strange configurations)

Anyways, this isnt a military forum and the vast majority of us on here are civilians so without someones resume out in the open for everyone to see, whos to know who anyone is. Some of us could work for the government in a lot of difference capacities and youd never know it. I dont feel bad for calling a critic out no matter who he works for. If you think something is a piece of sh!t, show your kit off and if you dont have your own, post a pic of something youd like to own someday. That all being said, theres a lot of guys that get to carry guns around everyday as part of their job that dont even have a firearms license so just because youve gone somewhere and done that, it doesnt mean your some sort of expert on customizing guns or even have an interest for that matter. Its their job to use the tools given to them, not customize the crap out of them.
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Or it could be an example to watch your mouth to who your spouting off to...
 
blaxsun said:
"Have a look at my AR and tell me what you think."
The AFG is a better choice than both grips (also doubles as a hand stop; preferable on a PDW), and the flashlight is more suited to the side. Colour is really a matter of personal preference.

I assume you wanted honest feedback and you got it, so colour me confused. :confused:
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Thanks for your feedback. As far as the AFG I am liking it more and more everytime I take it to the range. It just flows and feels better. Why I have both grips on is because I'm trying them both out and yes at the same time. With regards to the light placement. Well that use to be on top. If you look closely the long rail is on bottom and the short is on top. The long rail use to be on top but I flipped it to gain my grip locations. I never moved the light. Actually I was chatting it up with the boys at ATRS to order me a quadrail to replace this one for 2 reasons - 1) this one is too tall, only have room one sight attachment where I have other options and combos and 2) i just don't like it. I do like the fact that it stays cooler than the alum rails IMHO but that's all.
I normally mount the light to the right of the firearm and utilize pressure switches for activation. I normally run with my back up sites and use optics seldom but like to add optics just to change things up every now and then.

With regards to the color. I like tan and I really don't care if some think that it would look like ass when dirty. Some people should stop looking at dirty asses!

I'm going to post a picture of all of my options and would ask that you guys with the sand box experience chime in and aid a fellow gun enthusiast with practical and useful feedback. I am cleaning and thinning out my collection and what I'm not keeping is going on the EE.

I did my time in Bosnia back in 93 and the toys are way better now lol.

Thanks once again for your feedback!
 
Masic said:
I normally run with my back up sites and use optics seldom but like to add optics just to change things up every now and then.
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That doesn't really make much sense, especially when you have an optic pictured that is usually in the $700+ range. And no irons on the gun at all, not even a rear.
 
I think this is the closest I'll ever be able to come to an HK416c, so that's why I'm pretty stoked. I know it's a crude hack-job, but this just screams awesome!
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Actually if you look closely at the HK, it is kind of crude in some respects. They really didn't expend any effort to integrate the buffer tube and stock body with the lower receiver. Ours is different in that it is much cleaner and better integrated with the lower. Not only does that look better but it eliminates several parts.

I am also not a fan of the piston operation and the limitations that puts on the system. The 416C has a 9" barrel where we have successfully run a barrel as short as 6.5" using the DI system.


That's not the first time that stock has been called out as a plagiarized or stolen design. I can't remember who did it last time.
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I suppose that it is just human nature to suspect that something that looks like another thing is thus ripped off. Maybe that comes from the types who have never tried to design something new or different.

Of course we took some cues from the past. It would be impossible not to. However the shape of the stock is only a small part of the overall design. There are many aspects of the design that influence what needs to go where and how things work.

I think Strikker66 did an amazing job on the overall design and how it fits together and integrates with the lower. It looks incredible in person.

By far the most difficult part of the design was getting it to work without a buffer. Most people don't understand how the AR recoil system works and what to do when it doesn't work properly. We had to re-engineer the internal workings to get it to run reliably. But first we had to work out what the source of the cycling problem was and then how to fix it within the limited space available inside the gun.

An MP5 stock may look similar but it doesn't have to deal with any of the internal workings of the gun itself. To suggest our PDW stock is simply an MP5 ripoff demonstrates gross ignorance of how each gun operates.
 
Show and tell in public school was never this fun or dramatic. Some nice guns here! More pics are needed though.

Claven, I like your new build. It's a nice clean look.
 
Here is a pic of my options for this rifle. All of the bits and pieces that I have allocated to this build.

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Here is what it was and what shook the CGN world of my sins

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Here is a pic of a naked rifle. What I know of this build and my AR knowledge is limited (more of a long gun type of guy) - ATRS lower complete with Magpul grip and Timney drop in trigger. I believe it’s an ASA side charge upper complete with chrome bolt and heavy buffer spring, everything else - well whatever! I like the stock, solid and can be used as a hammer lol. ATRS stainless steel barrel, flash hider? Muzzle brake? Whatever you want to call it does send the sound forward and is a pleasure to shoot at an indoor range. Shroud? Don’t care because I just don’t like it. It is light and stays cool for a shroud but limited for me anyway. I asked for all of these parts and pieces and was very well informed by ATRS of the build and its issues like the side charge upper. I chose this upper because i am able to rack it one handed with either hands and this is the only reason. I have shot other side charge uppers previous to this build and did know about the blow back. A gas piston will eliminate this issue and am currently going that way. Do I use this rifle professionally everyday - No.? Can i use this rifle professionally everyday - No.? Am I able to unlock the rifles full potential - come on man this is Canada, I’m only allowed to own a rifle of this sort with limitations base on our countries rules and punch holes in paper with it. A trip to staples can do the same cheaper and a lot less fun.

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I like the iron sight and m going to stick with it. Currently looking for a front post to match it. I believe that the rear sight was an issued item? The specter DR and the EOTech, well I like them both but I think that I like the flip to side option with the EOTech more, need more time at the range with the combo but oh yeah, I can’t because I don’t have the rail room for both and that’s why the shroud is going to be swapped out for a quad rail or well, any suggestions?

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Here are my lights and lasers - what can I say? I grew up in the 70's I’m a big fan of the IR and everything IR. My choice would be the surefire with the IR cap and pressure switch but need to mount that pressure switch some way? Any ideas?

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My forward grip options. I like the vert post for tight maneuvers, elbows in, elbows out but like the other grip in the carry position. The long vert grip while FN around does protect my hand where the short grips have pinched my hand while in motion from shooting positions. I usually grip the mag well only but the vert grips do make the motions of the rifle feel more like its being steered tactically. Speaking of the magwell, i like the allowances that ATRS has incorporated in their lowers for quick mag changes. Just funnels and slides right in and that’s nice

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Trigger hand, like the feel of the Timney trigger group, like the Magpul grip better but if I did not have the ATRS lower I would go with the one piece Stark with the built in sling quick release. Like the feel of the selector switch, feels more positive and smooth while being toggled if that’s the right word? No sharp edges, no gap between the trigger guard and grip.

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Rear stock current is what I like and this is a pic of what I had. Not a fan or the CCA stuff personally.

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All feedback is good weather right, wrong, bitter or sweet and is better than nothing at all. I don’t have to like you or you like me in the real world but I do believe IMHO that if we’re going to be on this forum talking about firearms well let’s do so. I’m not an expert and will never claim to be one. It’s a discussion lets discuss. I apologize if I was misleading with my original post but I never knew that I was going to receive what I did. I believe a simple WHY? Would have been better than some of the comments and replies.
 
Masic said:
All feedback is good weather right, wrong, bitter or sweet and is better than nothing at all. I don’t have to like you or you like me in the real world but I do believe IMHO that if we’re going to be on this forum talking about firearms well let’s do so. I’m not an expert and will never claim to be one. It’s a discussion lets discuss/
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Thanks for posting the additional pictures. Here is what I would go with for options/modifications.

1. Base gun: Remove the top front rail on the carbon tube.
2. Optics: Stick with the Spectre DR for optics; it has a set of BUIS on it so you don't need anything else (hence one reason for losing the one rail).
3. Lights: I'd go with the smaller (tan) Surefire on the right side and mount a pressure switch for it on the rail on the left side. With the particular flash hider you're using I think I'd want the light further back.
4. Forward grips: Keep the AFG and mount it all the way back on the lower rail. For aesthetics, I'd switch to a black one (more on this shortly). Then I'd put a black Magpul ladder rail protector (trimmed to length) on the balance of the rail to protect it and give you a nice rubberized, low profile gripping surface.
5. Pistol grips: I'm actually not a big fan of any of the grips, and I'd switch to the new Magpul MOE+ in black. The MOE+ now has a rubberized wrap-around grip that offers a far superior gripping surface over the standard MOE. This also offers a better aesthetic in black with the rest of the gun.
6. Stocks: I like the ACE. The only (minor) changes I'd make is painting the release switch in flat black and putting some black grip tape on the front of the handle (the former for aesthetics).

Functionally and aesthetically I think this will be a better setup, and you may realize some weight savings with these options.

If you are bound and determined to go with a piston system, my original recommendation to go with a separate upper still stands. I'm not sure going with a piston system will entirely eliminate the blowback issues you're experiencing, and I think the cost will be comparable to a complete upper.
 
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