Polish Cavalry
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Read Parachute General by Stanislaw Sosabowski.
He starts from his prespective as a major player in the defence of Poland, then his escape from the country once it was taken, and his regrouping as the commander of the polish parachute brigade that dropped on Arhnem with the British.
A great read.
He starts from his prespective as a major player in the defence of Poland, then his escape from the country once it was taken, and his regrouping as the commander of the polish parachute brigade that dropped on Arhnem with the British.
A great read.
Polish-Jack
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My father told me a saying that they have in Poland.
The Germans will kill you and rape your women. The Russians will kill you and rape your women, your live stock, and your dogs and then kill them. (or some such )
I did not live long enough in Poland to personally hear this said, so if I am wrong please correct me.
The Germans will kill you and rape your women. The Russians will kill you and rape your women, your live stock, and your dogs and then kill them. (or some such )
I did not live long enough in Poland to personally hear this said, so if I am wrong please correct me.
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Old Polish Proverb. "The russian is a fine fellow, but it is better to hang him"
Grouse Man said:
Bull####, experienced against whom and with what? As for Enigma the Poles had a good amount of info for the U.K. but it was not until a Royal Navy destroyer rammed a u-boat that they got a working Enigma and turned the tide on the wolf-pack strategy.
Actually I truly admire the russians! They are tough, reslient and know how to survive in really adverse circumstance's! They are also truly bound to their land of "Mother Russa"!f_soldaten04 said:I take it not too many people here like russians
savagefan said:
Hey, genius. No swearing.
Rule No. 10: Swearing will be no more - apparently, people still cannot use swearing in the CGN acceptable manner. So zero tolerance from now on!
Do you even know what Grouse Man is talking about?
If you think the Poles were lousy pilots, say so and show us your proof. Otherwise take a hike. Any pilot I met who flew during the Battle of Britain pretty much says the same thing. Polish pilots were excellent flyers, probably the best flyers. They would scramble in minutes and they were known to take to the air without the proper flight gear just to get up in the air as fast as possible in order to engage the enemy. Their biggest flaw probably was that in their zeal to destroy as many German aircraft as possible, they ignored their personal safety to the point of recklessness.
You sound just like a typical paranoid zenophobic Russian. Russians invented everything, they have the best soldiers, they're the best at everything, blah, blah, blah. And my personal favourite, that Poles are useless. However, Russians always forget that the Poles were the only nation to occupy the Russian capital. The Germans failed, the Mongols failed.
Cheers,
sparky
I think the reason people do not realise the extent of Polish fighting is because they were under British control, essentially. BUt everywhere they were, from Monte Cassino to the Battle of Britain, they served with distinction.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_contribution_to_World_War_II
heres a very informative link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_II_Corps
these guys had a ammo carrying bear as a mascot
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_contribution_to_World_War_II
heres a very informative link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_II_Corps
these guys had a ammo carrying bear as a mascot
F soldaten04
Very short and eloquent!
As for sparky, ya what you said!
IIRC correctly, the highest scoring squadron within the whole of Allied air forces was the Polish Air Force 303 (Kosciuszko) Squadron.
As for being the most experienced,we can argue that all day long, however keep in mind that many of these Polish pilots fought in the 1939 campaign and right up to the last days of the war in 1945. So in regards to length of time served, yes by God, they were the most experienced. What I can comfortably say, it also seems that they were the best considering the 303 had the most kills.
as for the Enigma, puuulllleeeaasssseeee!!! It is a well known fact and more details have come to light in the last few years that the Poles were breaking the code since the early 30's. Apparantly they even built a few copies that they were able to use. (I believe the one they originally captured was a less sopisticated "commercial" model). Not to bore one with details, but the Polish mathematicians escaped Poland, went to France, escaped there (to I believe Spain, unfortunately, where many of them were caught) and then onto England and Bletchley Park.
I guess using profanity, to highlight a point, makes some people think they can convince others that their's is the voice of authority and fact.
Very short and eloquent!
As for sparky, ya what you said!
IIRC correctly, the highest scoring squadron within the whole of Allied air forces was the Polish Air Force 303 (Kosciuszko) Squadron.
As for being the most experienced,we can argue that all day long, however keep in mind that many of these Polish pilots fought in the 1939 campaign and right up to the last days of the war in 1945. So in regards to length of time served, yes by God, they were the most experienced. What I can comfortably say, it also seems that they were the best considering the 303 had the most kills.
as for the Enigma, puuulllleeeaasssseeee!!! It is a well known fact and more details have come to light in the last few years that the Poles were breaking the code since the early 30's. Apparantly they even built a few copies that they were able to use. (I believe the one they originally captured was a less sopisticated "commercial" model). Not to bore one with details, but the Polish mathematicians escaped Poland, went to France, escaped there (to I believe Spain, unfortunately, where many of them were caught) and then onto England and Bletchley Park.
I guess using profanity, to highlight a point, makes some people think they can convince others that their's is the voice of authority and fact.
Monty said:And yet, they didn't care to use that to their advantage or share that info with anybody else? I'm not even remotely trying to bash the Poles, but c'mon...
Hmmm, with a handle like " Monty", your statement does not surprise me in the least bit. Into the fray I go:
Well:
"During 1931, Polish Intelligence co-operated with the French Deuxieme Bureau, "
and
"It is being estimated, that during the 6-year period of Polish reading of the Enigma messages (between January, 1933 and September, 1939), about 100.000 transmissions were deciphered. The most important concerned the remilitarization of the Rhine Province, Anschluss of Austria and seizure of the Sudetenland, the last could be dangerous to Poland's interests."
and as for keeping secrets, standard policy of all governments to not release information to other nations. ie currently Isreal and the US. Hey after all the Brits did sign and promise to come to the aid of the Poles if war were to break out. What was there to worry about, the Brits would take care of it, its not like they would sell the Pollacks out or something like that, would they? 2 of these for you:
, Oh but wait, they did share:
"During mid-July, 1939, Chief-of-Staff Lt.-Gen. Waclaw Stachiewicz, authorised the Ciphers Office to share all their knowledge on Enigma with the allied intelligence services. The representatives of France and England got Polish-made clones of the Enigma encryption machine during the meeting in Warsaw between 24 and 26 July, 1939. On 16 August 1939, General Stewart Menzies was given a copy of Enigma at the Victoria Station in London. The British begun to read the Enigma messages in mid-August, 1939."
Use it to their advantage!!!??? You can't be serious asking that question can you? Let's see, on the western flank, you have arguably the most advanced army ready to hit you with a new form of combat called let's see what was it called? Oh yeah the Blitzkreig!! and on the Eastern front, 16 days later a drunken, unruly mob called the Russians with a humongous grudge dating back to the early 20's werein the Poles thorougly kicked the wind out of and completley humiliated them. Nothing short of a few nukes would have helped them. Oh and to remind you the Poles had those stiff upper lipped Brits ready to come to their rescue (they just had to give the word nudge nudge wink wink).
As well:
"The main problem the cryptologists were facing was the exchange of the key system, which took place in the German Army on 1 July, 1939. The first decrypted message at the "Bruno" centre on 17 January 1940 was from 28 October 1939."
Again in regards to sharing:
"The unit's most important effort was the warning about the German preparation to attack France."
and
"The Polish cryptologists were however to come back soon to occupied France under a secret agreement between the Polish and Free French governments and continue their work in underground in the City of Fouzes near Nimes"
and
"Most of the intelligence gathered by his unit were used in preparation of the "Torch" allied operation" You may remember this little "backwater" operation as none other than the North African landing and subsequent campaign.
Yep, those damned Poles; only worried about themselves and making sure they have enough Kielbasa in the house.
I will concede that that the Poles did little with the intelligence that they gathered during the 30's. Although the Brit's, the whole time, were very aware of the capabilities of the Poles in intelligence gathering as well. In it's proper context, what did the Brit's, Russians, hey even Americans do with the knowledge they had about Germany and the Nazis prior to hostilities breaking out? Here's a clue: it starts with an "N' has "OTHIN" in the middle and ends witha "G". Put all together and what do you get? NOTHING!
In your own words: I'm not even remotely trying to bash your words, but c'mon...
Happy New Year.
LI
That was actually fun. Thank you!
Thanks, LI! Good info. As for the Brits and US and Russians not doing anything with the info they got prior to actually joining the war, you are quite correct. Hell, Chamberlain was still trying to convince everybody that Hitler was a great guy...
Happy New Year!
Happy New Year!
Monty said:
Monty
You are so correct on Chamberlain. I think he, from all others, single handedly, led Europe down the path to war, by being "non-aggressive" in his approach with Hitler. I mean no one wanted to go to war, well except for Churchill and Patton that is! Everyone, especially Chamberlain thought that if they give Hitler some concessions, he would eventuallty stop. No one actually thought he had world domination in his thoughts. Hey, all Hitler wanted was piece....a piece of Austria, a piece of Poland a piece of...." (Ya ok, I ripped that off of, I believe Mel Brooks, but its too good not to use!).
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Actually I'm Canadian!
As the Poles say: "Nicedriveway and brown doughnuts to all"
If someone wants a translation of that, just ask!!!
LI
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