Precision Shooting Reality

[Toomanyguns]

OK, I didnt read the whole thread, but I did read 'Toomanyguns' say something about
.338 being cheap and plentiful. Buwahahahahahah! Thats some funny sh*t!

All that is required is grade 5 level mathematics proficiency in order to calculate the costs. Availibility can be determined by making inquiries.

 

[rnbra-shooter]

tiriaq that really is a beautiful group that you shot kneeling (kneeling, ugh - the only position I truly hate! I'm an honest 20-MOA shooter in the kneeling position)

 

[tiriaq]

Thanks, Dan. I really worked on my postion shooting and physical conditionning last season, getting ready for NSCC. Had absolutely great coaching from Keith and Linda.

 

[warrenb]

OK, I didnt read the whole thread, but I did read 'Toomanyguns' say something about
.338 being cheap and plentiful. Buwahahahahahah! Thats some funny sh*t!

I'd imagine that its all relative. For someone who can afford parachute dropin hunting expeditions the cost of reloading .338 is likely not expensive at all.

 

[DrawBlood]

I'd imagine that its all relative. For someone who can afford parachute dropin hunting expeditions the cost of reloading .338 is likely not expensive at all.

I could win the lottery and still only want to shoot .223. I am cheap though and like the ability to just have a practice load to mess around with. .338 is a great round, don't get me wrong, but my shoulder definately prefers other cartridges.

 

[warrenb]

Drawblood,

I agree. It would be too easy for me to get a flinch shooting the big calibres off a bench. I like the 223.

 

[Toomanyguns]

I could win the lottery and still only want to shoot .223. I am cheap though and like the ability to just have a practice load to mess around with. .338 is a great round, don't get me wrong, but my shoulder definately prefers other cartridges.

20 lbs with a large muzzle brake makes for low recoil. Its about like a .243.

 

[Toomanyguns]

I'd imagine that its all relative. For someone who can afford parachute dropin hunting expeditions the cost of reloading .338 is likely not expensive at all.

Ha ha ha. My wife suggested this type of trip and is paying for it with her dad's money.

 

[DOUGLAS D]

Ha ha ha. My wife suggested this type of trip and is paying for it with her dad's money.

Is her Dad packing your parachute?

 

[Toomanyguns]

Is her Dad packing your parachute?

No. My mother-in-law is. I figure if I make it back next years offering will be even better.

 

[DOUGLAS D]

No. My mother-in-law is. I figure if I make it back next years offering will be even better.

Make damn sure all of her anvils are present and accounted for before you depart.
Mother in laws can be such pranksters!

 

[JBD]

Here is my precision rifle reality


Please note the lateral dispersion of shots. The weathernetwork said it was
-1 today with 30 km per hour winds. Even with a decent rifle, with decent optics and a quality, high ballistic coefficient, bullet, fireformed brass and good powder. Wind can make group shooting very difficult.
that is why all day everyday quarter minute group claims at extended range are difficult to swallow.

Or maybe it is because I am older, my hands shake and my vision is poor.

 

[rnbra-shooter]

Quite a nice group Jason; doesn't sounds like it was a comfortable day to be shooting!

Am glad to see you putting a Bingo marker to a civilized use ;-)

When shooting in wind, you can oftentimes get a good proxy for the no-wind group's size by just measuring the vertical size of the group. This is because wind tends to affect the left-right position of shots much more strongly than their vertical position (usually). My eyeball SWAG says that you have a ~5/8 MOA (vert.) group there. Given comfortable conditions, I expect you would likely shoot sub-MOA 5-shot groups.

In my own notebooks for my rifles, for every match that I fire I record a group size like "1.2H x 2.3W", meaning that my group was 1.2 minutes high, and 2.3 minutes wide (for me shooting iron sights off the elbows at 300-600 yards, this sort of group would be a typical "good" shoot for me; with an F-Class rifle something like "0.6H x 1.6W" might be a comparable performance). Our matches are typically 2 convertible sighters plus 10 or 15 shots on score, so these would be groups of 10-17 shots.

In this manner, a group's elevation (height) tells you how well your rifle, ammo and you as a shooter (all combined together) are performing. In no-wind conditions the group's width ought to be pretty much the same, so the extent to which a shot-in-the-wind group's width exceeds its height will give you a good idea of the variability of the wind during that relay.

 

[Toomanyguns]

Jason, the weatherman has been known to report temperature and wind wrong! Homemade wind flags work well.
I have better reults when I use crosshair style targets instead of circles. Allows me to aim and hold with greater precision.

A bingo marker. LMFAO.

 

[pklassen]

Toomanyguns this thread has been hilarious. At one point i was brought to tears i was laughing so hard. When i read the post about the ear hole shot i nearly had coffee come out my nose. Almost as funny to hear all the responses from everyone who takes you so seriously. Definitely the most entertaining thread ive read on here so far.

 

[sako6br]

Jason, the weatherman has been known to report temperature and wind wrong! Homemade wind flags work well.
I have better reults when I use crosshair style targets instead of circles. Allows me to aim and hold with greater precision.

So I guess this means you run out and stick cross-hairs on a deer before you shoot it in the ear. That's very clever. You must have the stalking skills of a Puma to be able to do this.

 

[Toomanyguns]

So I guess this means you run out and stick cross-hairs on a deer before you shoot it in the ear. That's very clever. You must have the stalking skills of a Puma to be able to do this.

Well at least you have the ability to attempt humor, bad as it may be.

p.s. what kind of .22 should I use to shoot the eye out of a squirrel?

 

[Canuck525]

RNBRA-SHOOTER
To answer your earlier questions. I shoot 4 shot groups for 2 reasons,1) to save the barrel 2) to rule out the "fluke" factor.
I suspect I am inconsistant in both form and reading the conditions at 400 yards but am working on it. Infact my form is getting much better over the last week but only time will really tell. I only shot at 100 yards for initial load development. The groups at 100 are tight. I won't say what as I will surely get accused of b.s...

 

[Brutus]

Getting a little off track here, but can any rifle shooter recommend the Kestrel 2500?

 

[Oscar Makonka]

Getting a little off track here, but can any rifle shooter recommend the Kestrel 2500?

Electronic wind speed indicators are fine for telling you what the wind is where you are sitting but are not necessarily indicative of wind values and direction farther down range. In short range benchrest we use flags and wind probes set up at various intervals between the shooting position and the target to reflect much more accurately what the wind conditions are over the course of the distance to the target. Anybody who has shot much over flags and probes will tell you that wind speed and direction can vary greatly from shooting position to target. It's not so bad when the range is on a flat plane where wind direction is more predictable but if you happen to shoot where the terrain is varied with obstructions like hills, valleys, trees, berms, interspersed with open spaces, etc, wind direction and intensity can fluctuate wildly. Most shortrange shooters have 3 to 5 windflags and a couple wind probes when shooting 100 yds. It is not unusual for all five windflags to be pointing in different directions with probes indicating different intensities. If you happen to be shooting from a firing line that may be closed/walled/forested in on the backside, it will more than likely interfere or shift the actual wind direction at the bench and give you false indication of actual wind values farther down range. If you are dependant on a single wind speed indicator like the kestral at your shooting position you should be aware that it may not indicate actual conditions over the bullets path to the target.