R22 Problems? Anyone else suffering?
- Thread starter Felix_the_Cat
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Rhineland Arms !!!!!! Are you able to update all of us disappointed R22 owners
on the ETA of newly manufactured bolts at TSE so they can send them to us and stop the insanity. My belief is that the rifle would function properly even with the Ruger 10/22 bolt if the barrel was about 1/16" higher in the receiver.My cheap Norinco M93 (Woodsman clone) eats all brands of .22 ammo and spits it out with no problems whatsoever. Why?
on the ETA of newly manufactured bolts at TSE so they can send them to us and stop the insanity. My belief is that the rifle would function properly even with the Ruger 10/22 bolt if the barrel was about 1/16" higher in the receiver.My cheap Norinco M93 (Woodsman clone) eats all brands of .22 ammo and spits it out with no problems whatsoever. Why?
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Here is what I did to make this rifle function the way it was intended:
1) Placed stainless steel flat insert above the recoil spring to tilt the left side of the bolt down
2) Trimmed rear bottom of the bolt (the area that slides on top of the trigger group housing)
3) Dumped the extractor and made my own (Dremel tool and hardened steel flat)
4)Trimmed bolt face to achieve perfect headspace
5)Removed some material from bolt right above the extractor since the bolt's left side moved down a bit
6) Trimmed the top of the steel lips mags (Hot lips are OK)
The rifle works like a charm now ,feeding properly , firing properly and extracting 10-15 feet away.
I did all of this to prove that this rifle can work when modified.
1) Placed stainless steel flat insert above the recoil spring to tilt the left side of the bolt down
2) Trimmed rear bottom of the bolt (the area that slides on top of the trigger group housing)
3) Dumped the extractor and made my own (Dremel tool and hardened steel flat)
4)Trimmed bolt face to achieve perfect headspace
5)Removed some material from bolt right above the extractor since the bolt's left side moved down a bit
6) Trimmed the top of the steel lips mags (Hot lips are OK)
The rifle works like a charm now ,feeding properly , firing properly and extracting 10-15 feet away.
I did all of this to prove that this rifle can work when modified.
- Location
- Calgary,AB
Kasat: Holy smokes! Thats a fair bit of work there. What really dissapoints me is that for 650 bucks, there is no way in hell you should have to carve up a brand new rifle to make it function.
I am more then a little worried now that just a straight bolt replacement might not be enough....
I am more then a little worried now that just a straight bolt replacement might not be enough....
If mine and yours come from a batch of rifles with the barrels installed too low in the receiver installing newly manufactured bolts ( by Rhineland Arms) will change nothing unless the new bolts are made in two versions (which I doubt) for normally placed and abnormally placed barrels. I will still wait for the new bolt and if it doesn't work properly I am sending my rifle back to TSE for refund. Guys , take a look at the second pic from the top and notice the middle section of the barrel protruding downwards from the small extension in the receiver. Let me know whether on the rifles that function properly this area looks differently , please (pics if possible).
More trouble with my rifle. While cleaning the barrel I can feel sudden change of resistance while pulling on the cleaning rod (about 3-4" from the chamber) which indicates cavity in the barrel. The cavity is only about 1/2"long.
Check your barrels just to make sure you don't have this problem (if you're lucky). I used a standard square white cloth that comes with the cheap .22 cleaning kits. Brush will not detect it since it is longer than the cavity.
Check your barrels just to make sure you don't have this problem (if you're lucky). I used a standard square white cloth that comes with the cheap .22 cleaning kits. Brush will not detect it since it is longer than the cavity.
Tested the modified rifle again at BRRC for 2 hrs feeding it with Remington Golden Bullets and Thunderbolts. No single failure to feed , fire or extract.
Tested rapid fire as well and the rifle seemed to enjoy it as much as I did.
I love my R22 now. Too bad it was not all done at the factory but by the end user. The extracted casings were all landing consistenly at the same area which indicates well positioned and tight extractor. Again ,I am one happy guy
and can proudly shoot my R22 now.
Tested rapid fire as well and the rifle seemed to enjoy it as much as I did.
I love my R22 now. Too bad it was not all done at the factory but by the end user. The extracted casings were all landing consistenly at the same area which indicates well positioned and tight extractor. Again ,I am one happy guy
and can proudly shoot my R22 now.
TSE JR said:
You are not to be blamed for the issues with this rifle , after all you tried to import an exciting new product with guarantees from the manufacturer that the rifles function properly. They probably tried to rush the product to the market (this is not uncommon, I remember issues with my Korg PA1-Xpro
keyboard that was rushed to the marked with bugs in the operating system)
without extensive testing done at the factory. I am sure you will do everything to keep your customers happy and distribute improved bolts (count me in !!!) to the end users as soon as they are available.
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- Location
- Calgary,AB
Anyone see a new Bolt yet? Still waiting over on my end here.
I'm still very interested in getting this rifle. However I'm certainly no gunsmith. So, any work that would have to be done, would be paid for. Assuming I could even find someone to do it.
How accurate is it by the way?
And can you buy it up here with that fancy looking fake-silencer on it?
http://www.rhinelandarms.com/R22/mpics/R2214.jpg
Failing the improvement of the R-22 line. I may try my best to get an evolution 22 stock. Although that sounds like it'd be much trickier.
How accurate is it by the way?
And can you buy it up here with that fancy looking fake-silencer on it?
http://www.rhinelandarms.com/R22/mpics/R2214.jpg
Failing the improvement of the R-22 line. I may try my best to get an evolution 22 stock. Although that sounds like it'd be much trickier.
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JohnC
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
got an email from Rhineland last week saying they were planning to start production of new bolts this week. Then they have to be shipped to Canada etc so hopefully -everything goes smoothly & no snags- and i'm not an expert in the export-import rules - early in the new year...
Mine works fine, and has pretty much from the get go. However, I'm becoming increasingly frustrated with my stock issue. The darn thing has been busted since I first had to take it off to inspect and tighten up all the bolts after the first shake down trip to the range.
Thomas has been pleasant in his e-mails, but I'm still sitting here with a crappy stock held together with fiber backed shipping tape.
I do appreciate that sometimes brilliant and innovative people can be distracted, and small shops have limited resources and machine time. However, my patience is growing thin. Instead of addressing his current customers concerns, he's pushing a new 10/22 stock out the door
Thomas has been pleasant in his e-mails, but I'm still sitting here with a crappy stock held together with fiber backed shipping tape.
I do appreciate that sometimes brilliant and innovative people can be distracted, and small shops have limited resources and machine time. However, my patience is growing thin. Instead of addressing his current customers concerns, he's pushing a new 10/22 stock out the door
waynewjw
CGN Regular
Disappointed For Sure!
I too thought that the R22 just needed a break in period. However, this weekend, it jammed some many times that I just stuck it in the case and left the range. 4 or 5 times at the range and I have 2 problems. The gun jams!!! And on the other type of jams, it crushes the discharged casing and then jams.
I received an email from Thomas at Rhineland about a new ejector, over a month ago. Sounds like this wouldn't have solved the problem. It's now a new bolt.
I phone TSE this morning, didn't talk to JR. but one of his staff did, and the response was, we're not expecting anything. This after I spoke to him approx. 2 weeks ago, and he asked me to phone him for an update on the replacement parts.
I just hope that I and the rest of you guys out there with the same problems don't get screwed on this. And, I'm not going to start filing down and making my own replacement parts. This gun should have worked flawlessly or not shipped!
After reading all the threads, does anybody know when the replacement bolts are really coming (sounds doubtful for December) between Rhineland moving to a new shop, and TSE not receiving accurate information?
Disappointed Frustrated When Will It Work?
I too thought that the R22 just needed a break in period. However, this weekend, it jammed some many times that I just stuck it in the case and left the range. 4 or 5 times at the range and I have 2 problems. The gun jams!!! And on the other type of jams, it crushes the discharged casing and then jams.
I received an email from Thomas at Rhineland about a new ejector, over a month ago. Sounds like this wouldn't have solved the problem. It's now a new bolt.
I phone TSE this morning, didn't talk to JR. but one of his staff did, and the response was, we're not expecting anything. This after I spoke to him approx. 2 weeks ago, and he asked me to phone him for an update on the replacement parts.
I just hope that I and the rest of you guys out there with the same problems don't get screwed on this. And, I'm not going to start filing down and making my own replacement parts. This gun should have worked flawlessly or not shipped!
After reading all the threads, does anybody know when the replacement bolts are really coming (sounds doubtful for December) between Rhineland moving to a new shop, and TSE not receiving accurate information?
Disappointed Frustrated When Will It Work?PGW Steve said:
Better yet, buy the "outside US" rights and make the gun here!! Anyone for an 11" model???
Seriously, mine runs perfectly, just the stock is horrible. If I don't get a replacement soon I'm tempted to try and carve one out of laminated board.
- Location
- Calgary,AB
The only thing that has really choked me up, is that I bought this rifle in the end of October, and I have been able to run less then 100 rounds though it (after hand ejecting a few thousand). On Novemver 23, I recieved an email that the new bolts were going to be sent out. I was assuming maybe a week or two at most, as some other Rhineland customers recived replacment parts at lighting speed. I don;t even know if a new bolt is going to fix the problem, and the longer I wait, the more worried I get that it will not. I have decided not to purchase anymore firearms or firearm accessories untill I get this R22 working. Now, forgive me for being a little impatient here, but I would really like to start seeing some results now after spending 650 bucks for a nice doorstop.
