RDB now that the X95 is near impossible to find?

[brownbear53]

So much BS.

And sorry no, you are wrong just like the other guy, they do offer the X95 in 18.6 in the US.

But better post first without knowing. The T97 is more accurate than the X95. I doubt you ever owned one. But of course if you spend 3K on gun, it has to be good. But I know it must be fun spending money to make a gun accurate.

In general I am not a fan of bull pups, you are comparing the T97 to the WK180? Send some of the stuff over you are smoking please.

I never said that the IDF does not have X95.

Yes, 18.6" x95s are available in the US, you know why? because they were produced on the same tooling built for Canadian exports.
American SBR laws require 16" minimum by ATF, their X95s are built to meet that down south, they are cheaper too. 18.6" we don't import are sold in the States, since they are not going to sit on inventory just for us.
They wouldn't exist if it wasn't for our regulations.

The usage comment was regarding Post 55 - "The X95 is also not the preferred rifle for the IDF"
its nothing to do with preference, they have 6-7 other options in circulation too. not calling you out, just an explanation to why we don't see them exclusively in the force


The Type 97 is not more accurate than a x95, it showed similar accuracy to my tar 21 that had 12000 rounds through it.

Type 97 gen 1 gave me 3.5 moa grouping,
Type 97 gen 3 gave me 2 moa groups
Tar 21 was 3 MOA (at 12000 rounds) I roughly saw 1.5 moa at beginning of ownership
x95 grouped at 1 moa,
Keltec RDB grouped about 1.5moa

All performed at the same time/same conditions with xm193, xm855, Hornady match, Winchester white box, all 5.56 chamberings, roughly similar groups across calibers, bench rested clamped in lead sled at 100 yards.

I'm not comparing the type 97 to a wk180, I'm saying it was a as bad of a production run, with quality control, unreliability and finishing as the Gen 1 WK180s.
Anybody that runs over 5-6k rounds a year knows that. (your lack of comprehension is not my fault, but I'm more than happy to clarify)

Its not about fangirling over a rifle I purchased, I have owned and used all of them, the tar21 was the most comfortable, but the x95 was more accurate.

Post 74 you contradict yourself on your previous statements about its accuracy being spotty based on ammo and weather, then you go on about never buying one seeing the price tag, and that you will never purchase one for the same reason.
So all your claims about the x95 have no base to stand on as you have not owned one, they are either made up or selectively chosen from stuff you have read?
Your feelings don't change facts, the x95 has been proven to be better than the Type 97s in almost all factors, and most people here agree.

The friend that now owns my type 97 gen 3 loves it, he likes my x95 better, however to him, the price tag of the type 97 was preferable, and most people that own a type 97 feel the same way, making a compromise on quality and performance for the cheaper price tag is worth it to them, and that's okay, each their own

If you prefer the type 97, that is absolutely acceptable, I'm glad you are enjoying the bullpup too however you have zero rights to knock something else down just because you don't like it or cant/wont buy it.
you making baseless accusations about it doesn't make your opinion sound fruitful either, if you're going to keep going ahead with claiming why the type97 is better with no real quantifiable data or facts, I wont bother replying after this.

 

[Horilka]

Almost all OOBDs are a sticky firing pin staying forward and igniting the primer when the round pushed back on the feed ramps, user skill issue, not the guns fault, any more slop in the firing pin would add faster wear that consumers would complain about,

Bad primers are also a potential cause but that's out of our hands, all we can do is buy quality manufacturers ammo.
The keltecs are known for blowing up because they're cheap low quality plastic builds. the SUB2k is the most common of them, buffer tubes disintegrating into jaws kinda stuff.

If my car breaks tire falls apart from the heat from a burnout, that's my fault, if my tire disintegrates driving down the highway that's a tire fault

How old are you?

 

[I Dont Care About You]

You misunderstood the whole slop part,
The Slop I'm referring to is the extra movement you will see if, in the event manufacturers increasing tolerances to prevent 'sticky firing pins'

Your firing pin after striking the primer, needs to move back for the safety mechanism, if it stays stuck forward, it wont really allow the safety mechanism to function, it blocks the firing pin from dropping, but it wont retract or stop an already dropped firing pin that's stuck.
Glocks are a prime example of it,
This is also how people make non BRRRRRT firearms go BRRRRRT,
All depends on independent mechanisms in the rifles off course.

Rounds hitting the feed ramp are quite obviously resisting forward momentum by some amount as they get chambered, a firing pin stuck forward will exert pressure on the primer during the whole chambering process, this is often enough to set it off if all conditions line up.
The only way to prevent this is by having the user actually put an effort to clean their fire control group, hence, "User skill issue"
Its just a term to call them incompetent.

I have run multiple firearms out to 4000-5000 rounds before cleaning, they're disgusting internally, but no issues with OOBDs or round failures, minor feeding issues though

I did not misunderstand and there is no such thing as extra "slop" in the firing pin movement to prevent the pin becoming stuck forward. The design and function of a modern SA rifle mechanically retracts the firing pin from the bolt and prevents the firing pin contacting the round until the bolt is locked forward. THIS is what prevents OOB. If you have one, take a look at an AR15 BCG. When the carrier is back (bolt extended) the firing pin cannot protrude from the bolt face. Try holding the firing pin forward and see how the bolt is fully rotated into the locked position before the firing pin begins to protrude from the bolt face. What you are talking about, a stuck firing pin causing OOB is essentially impossible.

You clearly have NO IDEA how modern firearms function.

The Glock striker is partially retracted when the slide moves forward into battery. The striker CANNOT accidentally hit the primer and the striker cannot end up stuck forward.

By "BRRRRRT" I assume you mean bump firing? Which has NOTHING to do with the firing pin and everything to do with lonely holding the firearm and trigger at the same time so the recoil acts to reset the trigger, which is being constantly pulled.

If by "BRRRRT" you mean modifying a firearm to cause the hammer to follow the BCG, that generally doesn't work very well and tends to cause the firearm to not work at all.

 

[brownbear53]

I did not misunderstand and there is no such thing as extra "slop" in the firing pin movement to prevent the pin becoming stuck forward. The design and function of a modern SA rifle mechanically retracts the firing pin from the bolt and prevents the firing pin contacting the round until the bolt is locked forward. THIS is what prevents OOB. If you have one, take a look at an AR15 BCG. When the carrier is back (bolt extended) the firing pin cannot protrude from the bolt face. Try holding the firing pin forward and see how the bolt is fully rotated into the locked position before the firing pin begins to protrude from the bolt face. What you are talking about, a stuck firing pin causing OOB is essentially impossible.

You clearly have NO IDEA how modern firearms function.

The Glock striker is partially retracted when the slide moves forward into battery. The striker CANNOT accidentally hit the primer and the striker cannot end up stuck forward.

By "BRRRRRT" I assume you mean bump firing? Which has NOTHING to do with the firing pin and everything to do with lonely holding the firearm and trigger at the same time so the recoil acts to reset the trigger, which is being constantly pulled.

If by "BRRRRT" you mean modifying a firearm to cause the hammer to follow the BCG, that generally doesn't work very well and tends to cause the firearm to not work at all.

BRRTT implying full auto firing, not bump firing, A firing pin stuck forward without a manual reset will end up auto firing in some cases. I have witnessed Glocks do this personally, although the gen 5 wont due to the safety plunger you are talking about. Take apart a Gen 1-4 and you'll see what I'm talking about
And no, I'm not implying modifying the firearm to cause the hammer to follow the bcg, I'm implying an actual stuck firing pin that protrudes from the BCG bolt face, the hammer resetting or dropping is not even required in this case. It is a genuine malfunction that will happen on a lot of firearms, including almost all blowback operated firearms, although it is very uncommon

I do understand how modern semi autos function, I've built over two dozen ARs and have about 6 receivers sitting in my safe without a purpose as we speak, of the many others I have owned and handled over the years.

My statement is a blanket statement for one of the potential causes of OOBDs on some firearms, not exclusive to just the X95 as you are assuming here, many firearms lack a retention mechanism on the firing pin, not to mention if the firing pin is seized forward it needs to be physically pushed back into position into position by some mechanism of the BCG, some firearms do not do this. (The AR physically doesn't this moves back as the bolt cams over)

Making a blanket statement about me having no idea is quite rich coming from a person that has zero clue about who I am or how long I have been dealing with them.

 

[fritzhanzel]

Type 97s are fine when they are $850...quality control is very hit or miss

Accuracy is pretty decent...factory irons suck, GOOD scope mount options sucks

Trigger sucks...and no real fix...magazine fitment is also iffy.

Support and spare parts (important) and worthwhile upgrades are all basically ZERO

...AND that damn safety position and 180 degrees throw

Unless you already have 3+ of them...don't bother!

There are 3 generations of type 97, the first 2 had problems. The Norinco magazine is garbage, never had a problem with any other AR magazine. You are correct on some of your points, but in regards to spare parts, try getting spare parts for other guns, it is always a drama and I don't expect to shoot 10K rounds through mine.

Mounting optics on a gen 3 is no problem, I have no experience with gen 1 or 2.

Try getting any center fire semi automatic for below 1K these days. You sound like the other guy who stated that the type 81 should be $700.

Yeah dude, those times when I bought my CZ858 for $699 are definitely over.

 

[DVX]

Yes, 18.6" x95s are available in the US, you know why? because they were produced on the same tooling built for Canadian exports.
American SBR laws require 16" minimum by ATF, their X95s are built to meet that down south, they are cheaper too. 18.6" we don't import are sold in the States, since they are not going to sit on inventory just for us.
They wouldn't exist if it wasn't for our regulations.

The usage comment was regarding Post 55 - "The X95 is also not the preferred rifle for the IDF"
its nothing to do with preference, they have 6-7 other options in circulation too. not calling you out, just an explanation to why we don't see them exclusively in the force


The Type 97 is not more accurate than a x95, it showed similar accuracy to my tar 21 that had 12000 rounds through it.

Type 97 gen 1 gave me 3.5 moa grouping,
Type 97 gen 3 gave me 2 moa groups
Tar 21 was 3 MOA (at 12000 rounds) I roughly saw 1.5 moa at beginning of ownership
x95 grouped at 1 moa,
Keltec RDB grouped about 1.5moa

All performed at the same time/same conditions with xm193, xm855, Hornady match, Winchester white box, all 5.56 chamberings, roughly similar groups across calibers, bench rested clamped in lead sled at 100 yards.

I'm not comparing the type 97 to a wk180, I'm saying it was a as bad of a production run, with quality control, unreliability and finishing as the Gen 1 WK180s.
Anybody that runs over 5-6k rounds a year knows that. (your lack of comprehension is not my fault, but I'm more than happy to clarify)

Its not about fangirling over a rifle I purchased, I have owned and used all of them, the tar21 was the most comfortable, but the x95 was more accurate.

Post 74 you contradict yourself on your previous statements about its accuracy being spotty based on ammo and weather, then you go on about never buying one seeing the price tag, and that you will never purchase one for the same reason.
So all your claims about the x95 have no base to stand on as you have not owned one, they are either made up or selectively chosen from stuff you have read?
Your feelings don't change facts, the x95 has been proven to be better than the Type 97s in almost all factors, and most people here agree.

The friend that now owns my type 97 gen 3 loves it, he likes my x95 better, however to him, the price tag of the type 97 was preferable, and most people that own a type 97 feel the same way, making a compromise on quality and performance for the cheaper price tag is worth it to them, and that's okay, each their own

If you prefer the type 97, that is absolutely acceptable, I'm glad you are enjoying the bullpup too however you have zero rights to knock something else down just because you don't like it or cant/wont buy it.
you making baseless accusations about it doesn't make your opinion sound fruitful either, if you're going to keep going ahead with claiming why the type97 is better with no real quantifiable data or facts, I wont bother replying after this.

I doubt you owned a Tar21 in Canada. A Tavor21 maybe, but not a Tar21

 

[brownbear53]

I doubt you owned a Tar21 in Canada. A Tavor21 maybe, but not a Tar21

https://www.theshootingedge.com/cproduct/1765
https://wolverinesupplies.com/shop/rifles/rifles/iwi-tavor-tar-21-5-56-nato-18-6-black
https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/1532008-Last-of-the-Tavor-TAR-21-s-on-SALE!


Civilian semi auto fire control group, but still called as a tar-21 on the tags and shipping details, including invoices.
Obviously mine had a bit more flair than the plain all black/fde ones you could buy

 

[DVX]

https://www.theshootingedge.com/cproduct/1765
https://wolverinesupplies.com/shop/rifles/rifles/iwi-tavor-tar-21-5-56-nato-18-6-black
https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/1532008-Last-of-the-Tavor-TAR-21-s-on-SALE!


Civilian semi auto fire control group, but still called as a tar-21 on the tags and shipping details, including invoices.
Obviously mine had a bit more flair than the plain all black/fde ones you could buy


View attachment 738286

That just means they screwed up the description of the rifle on their site. It still doesn't make it a TAR-21. The TAR-21 is the full auto version. Our semi auto versions are called the "Tavor 21". It's even stamped on the side near the buttstock. Have a look for yourself. Mine is as well.

 

[Curtton]

That just means they screwed up the description of the rifle on their site. It still doesn't make it a TAR-21. The TAR-21 is the full auto version. Our semi auto versions are called the "Tavor 21". It's even stamped on the side near the buttstock. Have a look for yourself. Mine is as well.

tavor 21 aka tar-21 . tar means tavor assault rifle.

 

[fritzhanzel]

Yes, 18.6" x95s are available in the US, you know why? because they were produced on the same tooling built for Canadian exports.
American SBR laws require 16" minimum by ATF, their X95s are built to meet that down south, they are cheaper too. 18.6" we don't import are sold in the States, since they are not going to sit on inventory just for us.
They wouldn't exist if it wasn't for our regulations.

The usage comment was regarding Post 55 - "The X95 is also not the preferred rifle for the IDF"
its nothing to do with preference, they have 6-7 other options in circulation too. not calling you out, just an explanation to why we don't see them exclusively in the force


The Type 97 is not more accurate than a x95, it showed similar accuracy to my tar 21 that had 12000 rounds through it.

Type 97 gen 1 gave me 3.5 moa grouping,
Type 97 gen 3 gave me 2 moa groups
Tar 21 was 3 MOA (at 12000 rounds) I roughly saw 1.5 moa at beginning of ownership
x95 grouped at 1 moa,
Keltec RDB grouped about 1.5moa

All performed at the same time/same conditions with xm193, xm855, Hornady match, Winchester white box, all 5.56 chamberings, roughly similar groups across calibers, bench rested clamped in lead sled at 100 yards.

I'm not comparing the type 97 to a wk180, I'm saying it was a as bad of a production run, with quality control, unreliability and finishing as the Gen 1 WK180s.
Anybody that runs over 5-6k rounds a year knows that. (your lack of comprehension is not my fault, but I'm more than happy to clarify)

Its not about fangirling over a rifle I purchased, I have owned and used all of them, the tar21 was the most comfortable, but the x95 was more accurate.

Post 74 you contradict yourself on your previous statements about its accuracy being spotty based on ammo and weather, then you go on about never buying one seeing the price tag, and that you will never purchase one for the same reason.
So all your claims about the x95 have no base to stand on as you have not owned one, they are either made up or selectively chosen from stuff you have read?
Your feelings don't change facts, the x95 has been proven to be better than the Type 97s in almost all factors, and most people here agree.

The friend that now owns my type 97 gen 3 loves it, he likes my x95 better, however to him, the price tag of the type 97 was preferable, and most people that own a type 97 feel the same way, making a compromise on quality and performance for the cheaper price tag is worth it to them, and that's okay, each their own

If you prefer the type 97, that is absolutely acceptable, I'm glad you are enjoying the bullpup too however you have zero rights to knock something else down just because you don't like it or cant/wont buy it.
you making baseless accusations about it doesn't make your opinion sound fruitful either, if you're going to keep going ahead with claiming why the type97 is better with no real quantifiable data or facts, I wont bother replying after this.

I never made a statement about being spotty with different types of ammo. Please read properly what I posted and what another poster said.
The X95 with that ring shoots better than without it, for some, none of the reviews I saw was able to achieve MOA, but I guess you are an exceptional person. Black bear outdoors achieved better than 2 MOA on youtube with the type 97 gen 2 and most X95 reviews I read were on par or worse. All with standard 55 grain ammo.

In general I like Chinese manufactured rifles, the price is nice with high reliability. I am not into putting another 1 or 2K into a gun, many people do this as I observed on the EE. The X95 became even more popular than the Tavor21 since C21 and the ban of all ARs.

At current we are at a situation that no type 97 are being imported new into Canada, the X95 is kinda overpriced due to some war induced hype.

No again, I am not into bullpups, you misread that one too, and I am the one with bad eyes, lol.

I don't know why you accuse me of making baseless accusations towards the X95. You are claiming that it shoots MOA which I highly doubt. Taking it personal?

 

[I Dont Care About You]

the X95 is kinda overpriced due to some war induced hype.

The X95 price is within $100 of what it was prior to Oct 7.

 

[fritzhanzel]

The X95 price is within $100 of what it was prior to Oct 7.

Kinda true but I saw the price at 2,299 last year, then the price slowly went up due to no supply. I think that's to blame on the importer (C21 fear?) not ordering enough. I don't know what the wholesale is on those, would be interesting to know but at $2,800 I am sure they make a fat margin.

 

[I Dont Care About You]

Kinda true but I saw the price at 2,299 last year, then the price slowly went up due to no supply. I think that's to blame on the importer (C21 fear?) not ordering enough. I don't know what the wholesale is on those, would be interesting to know but at $2,800 I am sure they make a fat margin.

I do and they don't.

 

[hannibal.black98]

There are 3 generations of type 97, the first 2 had problems. The Norinco magazine is garbage, never had a problem with any other AR magazine. You are correct on some of your points, but in regards to spare parts, try getting spare parts for other guns, it is always a drama and I don't expect to shoot 10K rounds through mine.

Mounting optics on a gen 3 is no problem, I have no experience with gen 1 or 2.

Try getting any center fire semi automatic for below 1K these days. You sound like the other guy who stated that the type 81 should be $700.

Yeah dude, those times when I bought my CZ858 for $699 are definitely over.

Yes, 3 generations...the second 2 made for our small market...and maybe a few more small internal places at best. The gen 2/3 models are NOT upgrades rolled out for the domestic military use nor is the QC the same level on the commercial rifles as it is on the military ones...which still isn't amazing.

Spare parts for guns that are NOT Chinese made (unless a good clone and some hand fitting will be required...ie their handguns) because if there is no US market, there is not real market for spare parts/upgrades...and the overall numbers sold just won't be very high to make that a worthwhile thing to do for 3rd parties. Spare parts for a gun (as long as it is not BRAND new) are not hard to get...the trick is to gather them overtime, not when you need them...they will always be out of stock when you do!!! I have a F ton of spare parts bought for my X95 rifles...almost all were bought within Canada, from many different places...I've just been doing so for 2 years now.

Side note...spare parts will always at LEAST hold their value if not more over time.

I know finding a GOOD semi under $1k is hard, hell even under $1.5k now...our dollar sucks and the market/demand for guns is higher and higher due to world events, not to mention all the bans we've had over the last 3/4 years . My point wasn't we should still have the prices of 12 years ago, which would be awesome...it was the Type 97 isn't worth the asking price today...especially if something goes wrong with it or breaks, you have an expensive paperweight that shares virtually zero components with anything else...

 

[hannibal.black98]

https://www.theshootingedge.com/cproduct/1765
https://wolverinesupplies.com/shop/rifles/rifles/iwi-tavor-tar-21-5-56-nato-18-6-black
https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/1532008-Last-of-the-Tavor-TAR-21-s-on-SALE!


Civilian semi auto fire control group, but still called as a tar-21 on the tags and shipping details, including invoices.
Obviously mine had a bit more flair than the plain all black/fde ones you could buy


View attachment 738286

I love it!!!

 

[fritzhanzel]

Yes, 3 generations...the second 2 made for our small market...and maybe a few more small internal places at best. The gen 2/3 models are NOT upgrades rolled out for the domestic military use nor is the QC the same level on the commercial rifles as it is on the military ones...which still isn't amazing.

Spare parts for guns that are NOT Chinese made (unless a good clone and some hand fitting will be required...ie their handguns) because if there is no US market, there is not real market for spare parts/upgrades...and the overall numbers sold just won't be very high to make that a worthwhile thing to do for 3rd parties. Spare parts for a gun (as long as it is not BRAND new) are not hard to get...the trick is to gather them overtime, not when you need them...they will always be out of stock when you do!!! I have a F ton of spare parts bought for my X95 rifles...almost all were bought within Canada, from many different places...I've just been doing so for 2 years now.

Side note...spare parts will always at LEAST hold their value if not more over time.

I know finding a GOOD semi under $1k is hard, hell even under $1.5k now...our dollar sucks and the market/demand for guns is higher and higher due to world events, not to mention all the bans we've had over the last 3/4 years . My point wasn't we should still have the prices of 12 years ago, which would be awesome...it was the Type 97 isn't worth the asking price today...especially if something goes wrong with it or breaks, you have an expensive paperweight that shares virtually zero components with anything else...

I am not really worried about spare parts, others may. I have fixed a lot of guns over time. May take a while if I have to but that's the challenging part and fun.

 

[hannibal.black98]

I never made a statement about being spotty with different types of ammo. Please read properly what I posted and what another poster said.
The X95 with that ring shoots better than without it, for some, none of the reviews I saw was able to achieve MOA, but I guess you are an exceptional person. Black bear outdoors achieved better than 2 MOA on youtube with the type 97 gen 2 and most X95 reviews I read were on par or worse. All with standard 55 grain ammo.

In general I like Chinese manufactured rifles, the price is nice with high reliability. I am not into putting another 1 or 2K into a gun, many people do this as I observed on the EE. The X95 became even more popular than the Tavor21 since C21 and the ban of all ARs.

At current we are at a situation that no type 97 are being imported new into Canada, the X95 is kinda overpriced due to some war induced hype.

No again, I am not into bullpups, you misread that one too, and I am the one with bad eyes, lol.

I don't know why you accuse me of making baseless accusations towards the X95. You are claiming that it shoots MOA which I highly doubt. Taking it personal?

All guns shoot differently...identical models with the serial numbers 1 away from each other can shoot the same ammo, very differently...even if it is GOOD ammo, gotta try out more than one type.

"standard" 55gr ammo...as in bulk or surplus...SUCKS. Its bulk ammo...made cheap, the ammo itself is only rated to be 2-3MOA anyways. Personally in my X95 rifles (3) they shoot 55gr ammo "ok"...but the most common stuff we have (well now HAD) here in Canada, the Winchester "white box" 5.56 NATO shot pretty poorly compared to all other types of 55gr stuff I tired...plus its dirtier than most, both the cases physically and while shooting. Switching to 62gr stuff...I mostly shoot PMC X-TAC M855...shoot MUCH better, even tho people claim it is worse than M193...for me, it is better...and the twist rate as well as IWI themselves, recommend shooting heavier ammo in the rifle.

...all of that said, even crappy bulk M193 will still hit a man center mass, problem free out to 300M, rapidly and easily (4x ACOG and M855)...haven't shot mine any farther than that but I have no doubts it'd be combat effective out to 500M. It is not a long range caliber nor gun anyways...a 300M shot is pretty far in most modern combat settings...and if you are going some place where that distance isn't uncommon...people don't take 16"/18.5" 5.56 guns

Who is "Black Bear Outdoors"? And why does some random YouTuber matter? Can he actually shoot? Most people cannot...most people don't shoot much at all, let alone a lot of trigger time on one particular rifle. A bullpup takes some getting used to...shooting it as you shoot other guns, especially off a bench IS different....took me quite a few range trips to get used to it. Not everything HAS to be based off an AR platform to be good/normal

Sorry...Chinese guns, especially commercial ones and "high reliability" rarely go together. And my statement above goes along with this...I've had people tell me how great _____ Norc or even Turkish gun is, "I've owed it for years!" But on further conversation it turns out they've shot it 3-5x over a decade, a few boxes each time and are no longer a member of a gun club to even go shoot said guns anymore....that type of person is the VAST majority of gun owners in Canada...many reasons why but the biggest being it is hard for most people who do not live in the sticks, to just be able to go and shoot whenever they want, clubs can have wait lists and/or be very $$$ to join too.

"the X95 is kinda overpriced due to some war induced hype" ...false. The price has barely changed on these in 2 years...honestly less than most things in the gun world. DEMAND is high, people know they are gonna be harder and harder to get now...even the USA ones are just assembled there, not made as they are gonna be wanted/needed locally in Israel. That on top of people trying to get what they can legally, while they can. These have been selling fast since all the ban BS started.

What people are asking for used ones/private sales is another story...

 

[hannibal.black98]

I am not really worried about spare parts, others may. I have fixed a lot of guns over time. May take a while if I have to but that's the challenging part and fun.

Awesome if you are able to do so!!! Most cannot and for me, having my "main" gun be down for months of end isn't an option...so I've stacked spare parts and have 3 of them!!!

 

[I Dont Care About You]

...all of that said, even crappy bulk M193 will still hit a man center mass, problem free out to 300M, rapidly and easily (4x ACOG and M855)...haven't shot mine any farther than that but I have no doubts it'd be combat effective out to 500M. It is not a long range caliber nor gun anyways...a 300M shot is pretty far in most modern combat settings..

THIS, THIS and THIS.

In the event we are forced to use our firearms to defend ourselves, NOBODY will be making a shot past 200yds and the vast majority will be way closer than that.

At that point, accuracy becomes somewhat moot (within reason) and reliability, durability and handiness in confined spaces will be the most important factors.

 

[fritzhanzel]

All guns shoot differently...identical models with the serial numbers 1 away from each other can shoot the same ammo, very differently...even if it is GOOD ammo, gotta try out more than one type.

"standard" 55gr ammo...as in bulk or surplus...SUCKS. Its bulk ammo...made cheap, the ammo itself is only rated to be 2-3MOA anyways. Personally in my X95 rifles (3) they shoot 55gr ammo "ok"...but the most common stuff we have (well now HAD) here in Canada, the Winchester "white box" 5.56 NATO shot pretty poorly compared to all other types of 55gr stuff I tired...plus its dirtier than most, both the cases physically and while shooting. Switching to 62gr stuff...I mostly shoot PMC X-TAC M855...shoot MUCH better, even tho people claim it is worse than M193...for me, it is better...and the twist rate as well as IWI themselves, recommend shooting heavier ammo in the rifle.

...all of that said, even crappy bulk M193 will still hit a man center mass, problem free out to 300M, rapidly and easily (4x ACOG and M855)...haven't shot mine any farther than that but I have no doubts it'd be combat effective out to 500M. It is not a long range caliber nor gun anyways...a 300M shot is pretty far in most modern combat settings...and if you are going some place where that distance isn't uncommon...people don't take 16"/18.5" 5.56 guns

Who is "Black Bear Outdoors"? And why does some random YouTuber matter? Can he actually shoot? Most people cannot...most people don't shoot much at all, let alone a lot of trigger time on one particular rifle. A bullpup takes some getting used to...shooting it as you shoot other guns, especially off a bench IS different....took me quite a few range trips to get used to it. Not everything HAS to be based off an AR platform to be good/normal

Sorry...Chinese guns, especially commercial ones and "high reliability" rarely go together. And my statement above goes along with this...I've had people tell me how great _____ Norc or even Turkish gun is, "I've owed it for years!" But on further conversation it turns out they've shot it 3-5x over a decade, a few boxes each time and are no longer a member of a gun club to even go shoot said guns anymore....that type of person is the VAST majority of gun owners in Canada...many reasons why but the biggest being it is hard for most people who do not live in the sticks, to just be able to go and shoot whenever they want, clubs can have wait lists and/or be very $$$ to join too.

"the X95 is kinda overpriced due to some war induced hype" ...false. The price has barely changed on these in 2 years...honestly less than most things in the gun world. DEMAND is high, people know they are gonna be harder and harder to get now...even the USA ones are just assembled there, not made as they are gonna be wanted/needed locally in Israel. That on top of people trying to get what they can legally, while they can. These have been selling fast since all the ban BS started.

What people are asking for used ones/private sales is another story...

so many words, so few logic.