re: "sniper rifles"

Gotta love these semantics threads, probably the most pointless yet they stir up the most crap.
The OP has been around a while and reading some of his other posts he seems to know his stuff, but he just doesn't give a crap what some things are called I guess.
bullzeye said:
yes. it is the exact shape as the factory clip. just pull it out install the single shot conversion and drop a single round on it and close the bolt. by using the conversion you eliminate the damage you can get when you chamber a round and it rubs the bullet below it in the clip. this helps aid accuracy by ensuring there is no damage to the cartridge.
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Maybe some of us care too much?
(for the record clip/mag doesn't bug me at all but I try to correct people that mix it up when I am talking with them in person)
 
So I conducted an experiment tonight, it should shed some light on the stupidity of these arguments,

It was Tues. Night. Parade night down and the Mo. I brought in my Tikka Sporter in to have a tech look at the stock. I linked up with an RSS guy from my old reg force unit who works with us. He happens to be a sniper, an ex unit master sniper no less,

So I asked him, and a young cpl to help me out. I put it in my hands, and I have a Platoon Marksman course the the Battalion ran before our 08 tour. So at that moment it was a Designated Marksman rifle. Then I put it in the young Cpl's hands, at that point is was just a rifle? or a precision rifle? then I gave it to the Wo. At that moment the skies opened up, and a ray from Oden himself shaun down upon him, and it became in that instant; A Sniper Rifle He then held it, shouldered it, said he thought it was nice, but he did not like the optic, ect ect.... then he gave it back to me, (at that point the skies closed) and it became a designated marksman rifle.

Just to be sure, (and for the sake of good science) I insisted that we each pass it around 2 more times. so we passed it around, the skies opened it ect. two Pte.'s hanging around shouldered it as well. we talked about guns ect...

At no point (that I could tell) did the characteristics of the rifle change at all. But according to many of your flawed logic it became a sniper rifle several times. I can only assume that upon the conclusion of your sniper course you begin to secrete a chemical from your sweat glands in your hand. They react with the stock of rifles to change their chemical composition to the rare Sn2Ri1Na1, the Compound "Sr"

I personally would argue that this of course is stupid. No less stupid however then to think that when at work we shot the PGW's they became "not" sniper rifles.

So ya, many of the rifles on here are not sniper rifles, but the PGWs and TRG's and 700PSS, they are... and no ammount of dummy behind the trigger will turn them into non sniper rifles.

Embrace the word, say it nice and slow, breath, Sniper Rifle .... Sniper Rifle.... breath ..... Sniper Rifle.. Worlds still turning
 
not a newbie

iam not a newbie. i have been on this sight since 2005. i also have been shooting for 35 years.
as for sniper referring to military only have you not heard of sniper matches- targets shot at unknown distances?
as far as tactical rifles go the police are referred to as tactical teams and their tactical shooter is referred to as a sniper.

take a look at companies such as atrs or pgw that you guys rant and rave about. don't tell me the same rifles you buy from them aren't used by snipers-
military and police. when pgw stopped making hunting and target rifles who do you think they started making their products for?

as for what one member said about 338 LAPUA and 50 BMG not being sniper rounds guess again. our army uses pgw timberwolves (338 LAPUA) and i forget
what model McMILLAN in 50 BMG.that was the rifle that made the longest kill.

as for your bleeding heart liberals if they are worried about people getting killed why not get rid of booze and cars. more people die and more lives are ruined by these two than all firearms offenses combined. no matter how you sat it or put in print there is no way to avoid these people.

so quit the bickering among ourselves and give the lefties less ammo against us. this bickering is more ammo for them if we can't get along with each other
and just accept the fact we will never make them turn to our side.
harold lichtman
 
There were some female civies in the war in Bosnia that were sure as hell snipers.And lo and behold they had no formal sniper training....although one was supposedly an ex olympic team shooter. I can see that the political correctness has sunk deep here.To bad really because things are not going to change til people lighten the #### up a little.
 
Ar180shooter said:
"Sniper rifle" carries a lot of baggage that is not relevant to non Police and Military personnel. Basically, it is a loaded term. A sniper rifle is a precision rifle created for a specific application, which is unrelated to the discussion on this forum.
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Words matter. How things are discussed matter.
 
skrypnyk FFS be careful! If you open and close the clouds like that they can jam! F**king white fluffy stoppage from hell! Now try this: hand your toaster to said sniper, I want to see what happens...
 
This is how Wikipedia describes a "Sniper Rifle". In military and law enforcement terminology, a sniper rifle is a precision-rifle used to ensure more accurate placement of bullets at longer ranges than other small arms. A typical sniper rifle is built for optimal levels of accuracy, fitted with a telescopic sight and chambered for a military centerfire cartridge. The term is often used in the media to describe any type of accurized firearm fitted with a telescopic sight that is employed against human targets, although "sniping rifle" or "sniper's rifle" is the technically correct fashion to refer to such a rifle.
 
Underthegun said:
This is how Wikipedia describes a "Sniper Rifle". In military and law enforcement terminology, a sniper rifle is a precision-rifle used to ensure more accurate placement of bullets at longer ranges than other small arms. A typical sniper rifle is built for optimal levels of accuracy, fitted with a telescopic sight and chambered for a military centerfire cartridge. The term is often used in the media to describe any type of accurized firearm fitted with a telescopic sight that is employed against human targets, although "sniping rifle" or "sniper's rifle" is the technically correct fashion to refer to such a rifle.
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What I take this to mean is this. A "sniping rifle" is an accurate rifle fitted with a scope etc. And a "snipers rifle" is a rifle owned/used by a sniper. Therefore I believe that many people do indeed own "sniping rifles".
 
The verb "to snipe" originated in the 1770s among soldiers in British India where a hunter skilled enough to kill the elusive snipe was dubbed a "sniper".

Online Etymology Dictionary.​
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So by definition its a rifle used for snipe hunting and anyone skilled enough to shoot a snipe with a rifle is a sniper. Maybe I should move this thread to the hunting forum and people can argue over whether tracking or trapping is the best way to hit them in flight.

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And we have a winner!

kombayotch said:
So by definition its a rifle used for snipe hunting and anyone skilled enough to shoot a snipe with a rifle is a sniper. Maybe I should move this thread to the hunting forum and people can argue over whether tracking or trapping is the best way to hit them in flight.

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Been away for a bit, Glad to see we still have dudes like this to supply me with entertainment.....

bullzeye said:
i am tired of you guys whining about people asking questions about sniper rifles. whether you realize it or not sniper rifle is another term for tactical rifle.
also if you want to get technical most threads here are not for precision rifles.

i am sorry but most of the calibres mentioned are not precision cartridges they are either hunting or for lack of a better term they are target they are not match.

you want precision then shoot cartriges like 22 PPC, 6PPC, 6MM BR, 30 BR
etc.. the cartridges you guys talk about like 300 RUM, 338 LM, 50 BMG ETC.
are not precision cartridges. the matches they are designed for they are good. but try and shoot for group at 1000 yds and you will find they are not up to the task. i would love to see these cartridges shoot a 4" group at 1000
yards. they are meant to hit a target at that range not fire a group.

also for an example you call a REM 700 TACTICAL a precision rifle. tell me when it comes to looks what is the difference between this and US military sniper rifle models M24 or M40. these 2 rifles are more refined than a standard MODEL 700 you still try to emulate them but use the politically correct term precision rifle (maybe some of you are closet liberals). also look at the scopes you use. how many have mil dot reticles. is that not meant for a sniper rifle.

how about cutting these guys some slack and accept their questions gracefully and honestly and with good answers and no rebuke.

harold lichtman
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Longshot said:
There were some female civies in the war in Bosnia that were sure as hell snipers.And lo and behold they had no formal sniper training....although one was supposedly an ex olympic team shooter. I can see that the political correctness has sunk deep here.To bad really because things are not going to change til people lighten the f**k up a little.
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Couldn't agree more. People need to lighten up. I couldn't care less nor do guys I work with lose any sleep over it. It seems the guys who make the biggest stink over it are guys who have never actually deployed in that capacity. Longshot is correct, guys who are actual snipers couldn't care less if someone refers to a rifle as a "sniper rifle".
 
I can understand what the OP is saying. Remember, thhe military adopted the word sniper too. Technicly a military sniper isn't really a sniper either. Words can and do change meanings and as long as the point gets across what's the big deal. The anti's already call hunting rifles sniper rifles. Changing what we call our guns isn't the solution. Education is.
 
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