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Smellie. I guess there's no problem having a finger on the trigger at anytime then. It's perfectly safe handling. If everyone does it at anytime I guess there'll NEVER be an accident at anytime no way no how!

It's just a 'Liberal-Approved Party Line' and we've all been 'brain washed'.

Thanks for clearing that up!
 
Yeah , I remember the FAC and what it was supposed to be, in fact, when I first started our hunting licences were our firearm licences as well and we had to wear a numbered patch pinned to the back of our coats.
Much like are fishing licenses that were supposed to help the fisheries...all talk with nothing less than greed as the true motive
 
@Bart212: You have just proven my 6th, 7th and 10th paragraphs correct.

Seems like you're going to start a fight with SOMEONE, aren't you?

So find someone to fight with, just not me; I don't find much fun fighting with turnips.
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My grandmother bought me my first rifle for my 12th birthday. She taught me firearms safety and correct handling of said implements- when she was satisfied that I was competent- I was turned loose and allowed to wander the far reaches of the family farm with the cooey bolt action. I think her training was better than these morons certifying our young ones today.
I haven't killed anyone yet and think it unlikely I ever will.
 
I have finally seen the light.

@Bart212: You have just proven my 6th, 7th and 10th paragraphs correct.

Seems like you're going to start a fight with SOMEONE, aren't you?

So find someone to fight with, just not me; I don't find much fun fighting with turnips.
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No Smellie. You're mistaken. I've been thinking about it for several days now and Bart has made me see the error of my ways. His logic is inescapable. I'm a true convert now. Just to be on the safe side I'm having Doug at Epps weld all the triggers on my guns shut. And the next time I see Wes at Epps dry fire a rifle or touch any triggers in his store I'm going to set him straight too.

I've had a hard time sleeping this week remembering all those triggers I so callously fondled when I was young and foolish. I realize that the past is the past and can't be changed but I'm still torn with remorse.

I would spare you that pain if I could.

Jim.
 
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@Bart212: You have just proven my 6th, 7th and 10th paragraphs correct.

Seems like you're going to start a fight with SOMEONE, aren't you?

So find someone to fight with, just not me; I don't find much fun fighting with turnips.
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No Smellie. You're mistaken. I've been thinking about it for several days now and Bart has made me see the error in my ways. His logic is inescapable. I'm a true convert now. Just to be on the safe side I'm having Doug at Epps weld all the triggers on my guns shut. And the next time I see Wes at Epps dry fire a rifle or touch any triggers in his store I'm going to set him straight too.

Jim.

Wow what a pair of cowboys. :p R:d:

You clearly didn't comprehend the sarcasm in my post.
 
My grandmother bought me my first rifle for my 12th birthday. She taught me firearms safety and correct handling of said implements- when she was satisfied that I was competent- I was turned loose and allowed to wander the far reaches of the family farm with the cooey bolt action. I think her training was better than these morons certifying our young ones today.
I haven't killed anyone yet and think it unlikely I ever will.

What a great grandmother !!
Mine taught me how to prepare a chicken for the oven...starting from the coop...lol
 
Well with the recent events at Epps I'm amazed they didn't f:P:. No wonder why the Antis have a little bit of fact behind them ... because guys like you give it to them.

Funny thing is, if I recall correctly, the recent AD at Epps happened with no fingers on any triggers. Or did I hear wrong.
 
Funny thing is, if I recall correctly, the recent AD at Epps happened with no fingers on any triggers. Or did I hear wrong.

Would be really interested to read the police report. ;)

Kinda like all those NDs in the field ... 'no sarg it just went off on it's own'.:rolleyes:

Then after a function check and an inspection by the weapons tech proves that it didn't. Seen this every time someone says that it was a weapons malfunction. But who knows for sure, it does happen, gotta check. But never actually seen a 'malfunction'

I have a 22 bolt action. #### it, put the safety on pull the trigger, nothing. Take the safety off and put it back on and 'click'.:mad: needless to say I don't shoot that one much.
 
Would be really interested to read the police report. ;)

Kinda like all those NDs in the field ... 'no sarg it just went off on it's own'.:rolleyes:

Then after a function check and an inspection by the weapons tech proves that it didn't. Seen this every time someone says that it was a weapons malfunction. But who knows for sure, it does happen, gotta check. But never actually seen a 'malfunction'

I have a 22 bolt action. #### it, put the safety on pull the trigger, nothing. Take the safety off and put it back on and 'click'.:mad: needless to say I don't shoot that one much.



Her ya go Ace.;):rolleyes: Not sure why you want to take shots at the soldiers in the pics, or try to derail a very good thread, but I am sure you have your reasons. However we try to keep that kind of stuff out of the milsurps section. Plenty of other sections to go apeshiit.

Anyhow, according to the police investigation, no fingers on any triggers here.

HOT off the press....


ORILLIA - — One man is suffering from life-threatening injuries and another man has superficial wounds after being shot at the Ellwood Epps Sporting Goods store on Highway 11, north of Orillia, Wednesday morning.

According to Orillia OPP, two men from Parry Sound entered the Severn Bridge store at 10 a.m. Police say a 53-year-old customer placed a long gun on the counter of the store's gun room when it discharged.

The bullet struck the man's 26-year-old companion in the stomach. A 66-year-old employee was also struck in both arms.

Police, ambulance and fire departments arrived on the scene shortly after the incident.

The 26-year-old man was transported by land ambulance and later by air ambulance to Sunnybrook Health Sciences Centre in Toronto with what police are calling serious, life-threatening injuries.

The 66-year-old staff member was transported to Soldiers' Memorial Hospital in Orillia with minor injuries.

Paramedics removed the two men from the gun room of the store on stretchers at about 10:20 a.m.

After the ambulances left, police were conducting interviews in the gun room with staff, including the store's owner, who was later escorted out of the building by police. Another man was escorted to his vehicle by police and he drove away.

The store is closed and the OPP are continuing to investigate the incident at the scene.

The OPP forensic identification unit arrived later in the morning.

While police were busy with interviews, shots from a shooting range behind the store could be heard ringing out.

In the meantime, customers and suppliers were arriving to find this notice on the door: "Due to unforseen circumstances, Ellwood Epps will be closed until further notice. Thank you for your understanding."

Ellwood Epps is a hunting, shooting, fishing and camping supply store which also offers gun repair. Its camoflage-painted exterior and roof-top sign are a familiar sight to travellers heading up north toward Muskoka.

Kitchener's Jack Richard, of Porcupine Creek Supply, arrived to drop off archery supplies from his trailer but continued on to Thunder Bay and Sudbury with supplies when he could not make his delivery.

Other customers, who didn't want to be identified, were concerned for the safety of staff whom they know personally.

Orillia OPP and its crime unit are continuing the investigation and the Ministry of Labour has been notified.


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'Heavy hearts' but business as usual: Ellwood Epps
"it happened exremely fast": owner says about gun going off
By Sara Ross The Packet & Times
Updated 10 minutes ago
It was with "heavy hearts" that Ellwood Epps Sporting Goods opened its doors Thursday morning.

A 26-year-old man is in critical condition and a 66-year-old employee was injured after a rifle went off in the Highway 11 store's gun room on Wednesday morning.

"Today, we're back to business as usual with heavy hearts," business owner Wes Winkel said on Thursday. "We're hoping the young man pulls through."

Around 10 a.m. Wednesday, the 26-year-old entered the Severn Township hunting supply store with a 53-year-old, who was carrying a disassembled Mauser rifle in a case.

The pair from Parry Sound walked to the gun room, located in the store's basement and set the case on the counter, Winkel said.

"It happened extremely fast."

All guns, even those in pieces, must always be clear of ammo during travel, Winkel said."He made the assumption that it was safe in parts and it was not."

Winkel was on the phone in the gun room when the shot was fired.The bullet struck the 26-year-old in the stomach and grazed the upper arm of a male employee.
 
Her ya go Ace.;):rolleyes: Not sure why you want to take shots at the soldiers in the pics, or try to derail a very good thread, but I am sure you have your reasons. However we try to keep that kind of stuff out of the milsurps section. Plenty of other sections to go apeshiit.

Thanks for the articles LI.

Not taking shots at soldiers ... Have just seen a lot mishandling and alot of instances where blanks have proven their worth.

Doesn't matter who carrry's a firearm, let it be a Soldier, Police Officer or Civilian, safe weapons handling is a must. Especially when the people are 'new' to firearms, as like I've already said bad habits die hard and thank god that there's not more accidents where people get hurt. It's one thing to have an accidental discharge but is more relieving when no one is in the bullets path, but then again that's just luck. I recently had a family member accidentally shot and they almost died so when I see mishandling it makes me speak up.
 
Bart212

No problem. To add, my attitude is to treat all firearms as loaded, even if you have checked a dozen times and "know" its unloaded and never ever depend on a mechanical safety.
 
Back on the pictures and the foreign guy for a second, I am pretty sure that he's Jamaican. No it's not because he is black.

It's not racist to say it. A lot of Jamaicans are indeed black. It's not unreasonable to deduce that, given his non-Canadian beret, he's a foreigner. But he's in what appears to be a Canadian CADPAT uniform, so it would appear that's he's, shall we say, 'embedded' in the CF in some fashion. Given his presence with RMC cadets, he's very likely attending RMC.

We have, or at least had comparatively recently and I don't think it's changed, training agreements with quite a few Caribbean nations. In most of them, the majority of the population is black. Were he white, he could be from almost anywhere.

So it's a reasonable deduction that he's from one Caribbean army or another, attending RMC. No reason to apologize for thinking that.
 
You must be one of those types who have alot of NDs eh?

Insulting and uncalled for.

And inaccurate. Over 100k rounds served in my life, and not an ND yet. Not that I'd expect you to know me or anything...but it's a hell of an assumption and insult to just insult someone with.


Smellie. I guess there's no problem having a finger on the trigger at anytime then. It's perfectly safe handling. If everyone does it at anytime I guess there'll NEVER be an accident at anytime no way no how!

Is that what I said? Or Smellie said?

NO.

I did NOT say “at any time”. I did NOT say “NEVER BE AN ACCIDENT”.

I did say that there's nothing in those pictures that actually shows anything unsafe occurring.


I am amazed this conversation has gone past: "Yep those guys sure have their fingers on the triggers of those guns, that is a possibly dangerous situation and it's bad form to be having your picture taken like that, but I am sure that they were proved safe before that and nothing serious happened."

To: "WELL I WAS A SOLDIER AND I KNOW EVERYTHING ABOUT GUNS AND WE HAD OUR FINGERS ON THE TRIGGER ALL THE TIME IF YOU DON'T HAVE YOUR FINGER ON THE TRIGGER YOU HATE GUNS AND FREEDOM."

“possibly dangerous”?

“on the trigger all the time”?

No. Just like with the pictures, you are leaping to an incorrect conclusion. You assumed.


The problem is that these men are posing with the rifles with their fingers on the trigger which shows a cavalier attitude towards gun safety,

Posing?

Really? Are these underwear models, setting up for the pro photographer?

Frankly I think the attention of these young soldiers is much more on the firearms they are handling, and could care less about any photographs being taken. And if it was so dangerous, why didn't the photographer run out of the buildings screaming at the top of his lungs?

They had something to do, and I'll do something you are unwilling to: because I wasn't there, I'll give them the benefit of doubt, that they were handling them safely. I literally don't see a single thing “cavalier” about their handling.

But let me ask you this: say the firearm WAS loaded, and he was handling it poorly...when he notices that someone's about to take his picture, do you expect him to rush up and tell him “GIMME YOUR CAMERA! YOU CAN'T POST A PICTURE OF ME ON TEH INTERNETS!!1!” while this loaded gun is being waved all about?


Thanks for the articles LI.
Not taking shots at soldiers ... Have just seen a lot mishandling and alot of instances where blanks have proven their worth.
Doesn't matter who carrry's a firearm, let it be a Soldier, Police Officer or Civilian, safe weapons handling is a must. Especially when the people are 'new' to firearms, as like I've already said bad habits die hard and thank god that there's not more accidents where people get hurt. It's one thing to have an accidental discharge but is more relieving when no one is in the bullets path, but then again that's just luck. I recently had a family member accidentally shot and they almost died so when I see mishandling it makes me speak up.

And while I'm sorry for your family member's accident, does that give you permission to insult me? Or to assume there's something unsafe going on in those pictures?


Would be really interested to read the police report. ;)
Kinda like all those NDs in the field ... 'no sarg it just went off on it's own'.:rolleyes:
Then after a function check and an inspection by the weapons tech proves that it didn't. Seen this every time someone says that it was a weapons malfunction. But who knows for sure, it does happen, gotta check. But never actually seen a 'malfunction'

I have a 22 bolt action. #### it, put the safety on pull the trigger, nothing. Take the safety off and put it back on and 'click'.:mad: needless to say I don't shoot that one much.

So after all this lecturing, putdowns, inaccurate assessments of what us Army guys are saying, you inform us that you knowingly own a firearm with a broken safety system!? Isn't your failure to get that fixed a perfect example of a “cavalier attitude toward gun safety”?

If you want to say that actually deliberately posing with your finger on the trigger is causing new shooters to have a cavalier attitude towards safe firearms handling...I would direct you to millions of TV episodes, action movies, gangsta rap videos, Youtube videos showing questionable and downright dangerous handling...and ask why people are freaking out about a picture showing someone safely dry-firing?

Look, if the website owners don't want pictures of people with fingers on the trigger, that's ok, it's their site, this is what they want, and that's that. But don't assume/accuse that I or the soldiers in the pictures are ACTUALLY being unsafe.
 
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