After measuring .033 no pressure and .034 with significant hand pressure, I think, I found what I was missing. The plug used to get the reference measurement needs to be diameter of the rim diameter and centered. Mine was over and could've picked up on some high spots. There is no frigging way that my headspace would be so much under the spec. Oh well, some more machining to be done tomorrow...
Resizing, rim / weight sorting
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Sure, there is science and there is "settled science"... and there is practical experiment.
There are tons of videos and reports supporting or not the impact of rimfire headspace on accuracy.
What, to me, is significant is that I haven't seen a single report where matching it would have a negative impact. At worst, "sorting" reports would state "no significant/measurable improvement. Another noticeable scew was that, good the ammo in good rifles usually shows little to no benefit. Cheap ammo in cheaper guns reportedly show some gains... Is it the tester's bias?
Sure, there is science and there is "settled science"... and there is practical experiment.
There are tons of videos and reports supporting or not the impact of rimfire headspace on accuracy.
What, to me, is significant is that I haven't seen a single report where matching it would have a negative impact. At worst, "sorting" reports would state "no significant/measurable improvement. Another noticeable scew was that, good the ammo in good rifles usually shows little to no benefit. Cheap ammo in cheaper guns reportedly show some gains... Is it the tester's bias?
I wish I had the time for total waste that some of you have. Does anyone really expect to find some revelation in rimfire that hasnt been tried 1000 times! Great action,quality bedding and an awesome barrel with an appropriate lot number and voilah!! DONE DEAL. Most arent capable of shooting well enough to notice the infantissimal differences that are rampantly disscussed on here! Look at 90 percent of the targets posted on here with the dillussional measurements. Hint, if theres two bullet holes and a space between them, hello , its not possible for the group to be smaller than the calibre being fired!!!! But it shows up here all the time. Im not a mathematician or engineer or whatever but Ive been around long enough to have tried just about everything discussed on here. Rimfire equates to the chamber,barrel,bedding, trigger and operator with the proper lot number of whatever ammo shoots great in that chamber barrel combo,PERIOD!!!
OK. I appreciate your input yet, I mark you in the "science is settled " group if only for the "total waste" comment". I'm also thankful for not living in times of Spanish inquisition.
As long as you ignore the fact that 750 times out of 1000 times there were gains and in 1000 times there were no losses, you will wait forever. Sure, act like government. After all throwing money at a problem will solve it.... Just don't forget the simple truth that there are some that have more time than money at their disposal.Well you show me something that hasnt been tried 1000 times before and maybe ill bend an ear. I THINK ILL BE WAITING A LONG TIME.
My quest is not about ultimate accuracy. T1x was enough of a strain on my budget. I'm on a quest of squeezing the maximum accuracy out of it. Out of that one gun and no other. Want a good laugh? I tell you that this particular gun was (since I bought it) never chambered with a live round... Many others were but not this one.
You believe whatever fantasy land you live in. I will gladly shoot with you to prove what I preach. And no where has 750 gains from 1000 tries been proven, just your say so! Im all good with you trying and experimenting all you want. Youll find ABSOLUTELY ZERO thats not been tried or found before!! Rimfires been around for approximately 1845 Europe and 1857 in America in 22 short for the S@W model 1 revolver. So most everythings already has been tried. Could you tell me your new revelation thats not been done 750/1000
Please, show me one, just ONE test where matching rim thickness or even just sorting by weight showed decrease in accuracy. Till than, you are full of opinion and nothing more than that...
Well what part of all the seasoned shooters on here that have advised you its a waste of time did you not comprehend. Like I said before, youve obviously more time to waste than I do. Have fun and go hog wild pal, it wont amount to a hill of beans!! Prove,dissprove whatever. Been there and done it all and I mean all. Rimfire is all about the ammo and finding a lot that shoots great in a GREAT barrel. You keep ####ixg around and in thirty or fourty years like it took me and youll figure it out. Look up where a company was gonna revolutionize rimfire with a new bullet and reloadable ammo. I applauded the effort but realized it was fxcked before it even got off the ground. When it comes to rimfire, its BEEN DONE BEFORE!!!! You go hog wild Einstein but the results will be the same. The variable that matters most is beyond our control and its the ammo. As my buddy OKshooter quotes, Its a dice roll.
Just like I thought. I asked for just ONE. You haven't delivered anything more than an opinion. You become your own judge....
Well show me one that proves your point!! Good luck. Im not wasting any of my precious time with someone willing to waste what appears to be limitless. Im done. I will however shoot with you anytime youd like to see who knows what about rimfire. I like wagering also.
The drawing refers to it for tolerances otherwise, why refer to it. BTW, the tolerance and dimensions included on the SAAMI "Match" is the same as those of CIP; leads me to believe that SAAMI copied the CIP standard for their match designation. It seems clear to me, and I have been reading engineering drawings for about 50 years or so. Still make a living making them and reading and interpreting them, every day at work.
Are you seriously asking to ha e a shoot out with someone who's rifle and ammo is on a construed budget? You are on! Summer of 2026 or 2027 (depending on when I actually retire) Elliot Lake. 50 yards. You shoot whatever you want. I will shoot my T1x with sorted CCI std. velocity rounds
Mind you, these CCIs may or may be reformed. In Elliot Lake there a nice, friendly club (i hope, I'm not living there yet) and I'm sure that we can find judges we can agree on. . The proposed time and place is dictated by my budget. Win or lose, we could make it a community event event ! Are you really to this? After all, what's to you few more dollars to prootha you are...
Im looking into obtaining a decoder manual lol. Im quite confident that in a year or two youll have all the vagaries of rimfire sorted out and with all the magical weighing,sorting ,sizing whatever your cci standard will beat lot matched ammo in a $10,000 plus rifle? Ill make it interesting and bring my custom semi instead. Itll be fun
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Idlike to apologize for the auto srewups that I got into my last post (and possibly this one) but. I hope, the message is clear. A challenge of a fudd against an expert! Imopen for ideas of how to benefit the community.
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You just give it a shake.
