Ruger Scout 308 vs 450 - Deer Rifle

-Doug- said:
Looking into rifle specs further I don’t think the guide gun is the rifle for my purposes.
Id like to drop down the weight on it, I already have a 308 that doesn’t get carried around due to its weight.

Going to a Ruger ranch makes more sense from a cost and weight savings perspective - not as cool as the guide gun but it will do the job just as well if not better and it’s easily half the cost.

On a completely different perspective but still on the lines of compact sub 100 yard gun is of course a 44rem mag lever with a 16”.
45-70 would also be an option but it’s hard enough finding them in stock yet alone one of the guide gun versions.

Thanks everyone for your input
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Have a Rossi M92 44mag in 18". Super fun, 75yds or less for deer. Super fun range gun. I love two foot fireballs at dusk.

Xtp projectiles are pricey but the best game bullet in pistol calibers. M92 based rifles would be maybe a tang or dovetail peep/ghostring, the action doesn't lend to optics.
 
I have both and I really couldn't pick which one I like better. They both tick different boxes.
The .308 has ammo availability (usually...) and somewhat cheaper operating costs.
The .450 has a big thump and is awesome with cast boolits, especially heavy ones.
I love the style of both rifles. They look very cool and their length makes them handy.
I will admit the chunkier .450 is a bit of a tank to lug around and it's muzzle brake looks like it was repurposed from a Howitzer.

I run a 2-7x Burris Scout on the .308 and the .450 has a traditionally mounted Bushnell 1-4x24 LPVO attached to an XS Sights rail.

Like I said, tough choice. Sorry, not much help here.

Good Luck.
 
Gun-adian said:
I have both and I really couldn't pick which one I like better. They both tick different boxes.
The .308 has ammo availability (usually...) and somewhat cheaper operating costs.
The .450 has a big thump and is awesome with cast boolits, especially heavy ones.
I love the style of both rifles. They look very cool and their length makes them handy.
I will admit the chunkier .450 is a bit of a tank to lug around and it's muzzle brake looks like it was repurposed from a Howitzer.

I run a 2-7x Burris Scout on the .308 and the .450 has a traditionally mounted Bushnell 1-4x24 LPVO attached to an XS Sights rail.

Like I said, tough choice. Sorry, not much help here.

Good Luck.
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Whats it like to shoot that 450?
 
brybenn said:
For the intended purpose I'd go 450. Deer are easy to kill and I like a big bullet. The 308 is more practical but that's not why we all buy new guns
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:agree: I've had numerous .308's over the years but rarely used them for hunting, mostly for target work with my handloads. I much prefer the 450 BM as it be
an easy to load for & more effective cartridge for me. I only run hardcast 250-360gr boolits through my Ruger American Ranch and they shoot tight at 80 yds.

I have no need for the Ruger Scout rifle meself, as they got too much goin' on in terms of overall ergonomics & the iron sights fitted on 'em. They be rather pricey
to boot.
 
MiG25 said:
When you can't argue with the facts.
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refresh me on the facts again - One string of one lot # of 308 150gr factory ammo fired from one 16" rifle , against a youtube video review of a longer barrel 7.62x39 shooting a 20% lighter bullet?
 
todbartell said:
refresh me on the facts again - One string of one lot # of 308 150gr factory ammo fired from one 16" rifle , against a youtube video review of a longer barrel 7.62x39 shooting a 20% lighter bullet?
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Oops, that's two from your test.

"308 Win, Remington CoreLokt 150gr PSP ~ 2820 fps claimed
16.1" Ruger m77 ~ 2496 fps"

In my notebook, Hirtenburger 147 grainers do 2521fps in a 17.7" barrel (and 2770 in a longer barrel).

So yeah, the short barreled 308 is in the same ball park as the SKS.
 
MiG25 said:
Oops, that's two from your test.

"308 Win, Remington CoreLokt 150gr PSP ~ 2820 fps claimed
16.1" Ruger m77 ~ 2496 fps"

In my notebook, Hirtenburger 147 grainers do 2521fps in a 17.7" barrel (and 2770 in a longer barrel).

So yeah, the short barreled 308 is in the same ball park as the SKS.
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Whaty velocity do you get with 147/150 gr bullets in your SKS?
 
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MiG25 said:
In my notebook, Hirtenburger 147 grainers do 2521fps in a 17.7" barrel (and 2770 in a longer barrel)
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is that a FMJ load? I gave up looking after page 5 on google with no results

This is the hunting rifle forum, you should at least compare an expanding bullet load
 
todbartell said:
is that a FMJ load? I gave up looking after page 5 on google with no results

This is the hunting rifle forum, you should at least compare an expanding bullet load
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Sounds like an excuse. The Short barreled 308 is very similar to the SKS.
 
I chrono'd Barnaul 125gr soft points at just over 2400fps (average, using a Labradar) from a SKS last fall. That was over a single box of 20.
I don't have a 16" 308 to compare to, but based on what I've seen posted for velocities out of 16" 308 Sig Crosses (2550fps+ with 150s) the two aren't similar at all.
 
Gatehouse said:
Interesting. What velocities do you get from your SKS with 150 grain bullets? You seem to be avoiding answering that question for some reason?
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Never seen 150gr loads for the 7.62x39, velocities for the SKS according to my notes range from 2395 fps (Remington-UMC) to 2520 fps (Czech BXN 85 and Hungarian 21 79).

I'm sure you and Bartell will claim ~25 grains of bullet weight puts them in different categories.
 
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