SIR/Cabela SKS pics

curtton said:
check what receiver yours have (if not sure see sticky) , a 53 should be a late russian , the receiver with NO mill step, if so then yours have chrome bore .
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Hi Curtton,
I went over your sticky and found out:
-the factory symbol is for the Izhevsk factory, not Tula
-it's early Russian with the milled step on the receiver
-the stock is all Arctic Birch
- it has the type 2 45 deg gas block
-the firing pin has no spring.

I am very sure the barrel is not chrome by comparing with the Frontier Russian and my Chinese SKS. The more I see of these Russians, and compare with the Chinese one, the more I like the Chinese. The stock is poor-quality wood, but all the numbers match and the machining is just as good as the Russian.

Thanks for your interest,
Geoff
 
Your rifle is a Tula with an Izzy cover. Izzy only made rifles in 53 and 54 and utilized the late Russian milled receiver. Sounds like they grabbed whatever rear cover was handy. Your rifle is mostly a late 1950, with 1952 and later bolt and bolt carrier. I have a 1953 rifle with a 1950 bolt and carrier. If your serial number is H288 I have your bolt. My 1953 is 100% electropenciled force matching, except the bolt. Ivan was too lazy to forcematch the bolt.
 
DAR 701 said:
Your rifle is a Tula with an Izzy cover. Izzy only made rifles in 53 and 54 and utilized the late Russian milled receiver. Sounds like they grabbed whatever rear cover was handy. Your rifle is mostly a late 1950, with 1952 and later bolt and bolt carrier. I have a 1953 rifle with a 1950 bolt and carrier. If your serial number is H288 I have your bolt. My 1953 is 100% electropenciled force matching, except the bolt. Ivan was too lazy to forcematch the bolt.
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Just a grab-bag of spare parts!
Sorry about yours, but the bolt, carrier, mag and receiver all have the same serial, not forced. Poor old Ivan was probably just slave labour slamming together some crappy old guns that no one wanted.
Geoff
 
DaveGP said:
Maybe we should try a 'serial number wanted' for the mis-matched SKS's?
I know - I always have great ideas...;)
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I have a better idea. Everyone who's had their hopes and dreams crushed by the appearance of their $200 SIR rifle can sell it to me for $150. You can wash your shame away with the money.
 
geoff :
im currently looking into the same rifle for a member , sound identical to yours. it was positively proven that the top cover wasnt original bcos i found the fonts on the top cover did not match the receiver.

im trying to figure out what year it was built .

could you post some pics?
 
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Geoff B said:
Just a grab-bag of spare parts!
Sorry about yours, but the bolt, carrier, mag and receiver all have the same serial, not forced. Poor old Ivan was probably just slave labour slamming together some crappy old guns that no one wanted.
Geoff
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Grab bag it certainly is! It does not matter to me though, I intend to shoot the snot out of it and already restocked it with a Polish SKS stock, handguard and sling. This SKS cost more than any of my 3 minty, IZH 100% all matching original SKS rifles... guess I am a good shopper!
 
SKS pics

Here are some shots of this beauty from SIR, as well as a couple of contrasting shots of the one from Frontier and the Chinese one I bought back in the '80s.
First is a shot of the non-chromed muzzle from SIR.
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Second is a side view of the receiver with the step visible.
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Third is the receiver cover.
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Fourth is a shot comparing three different gas blocks. Sir, Frontier and Chinese.
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That bbl is likely chromed,the black finish you see is the black "paint" they used to refurb them....the serial # at the back of your top cover does not match the rifle..?...
 
Chrome?

SA85M1 said:
That bbl is likely chromed,the black finish you see is the black "paint" they used to refurb them....the serial # at the back of your top cover does not match the rifle..?...
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It was recently etched with the serial number on the receiver. Just now, I used some very fine sandpaper and removed the black crud from the muzzle. All I found was some old pitted steel! I have also noticed that the black paint runs like black marker ink when hit with solvent.
 
Yeah,of all the stff that bugs the crap out of me with these rifles it's the frickin black paint crud they used to refurb 'em...I would have preffered it if they left 'em as they were...
 
Okay,

So when I get these, the things to look out for are:

a. Whether any serial numbers match, or are force matched.

b. Look out for a step in the reciever (sign of an older rifle that should have a non-chromed bore) and check the muzzle, bore for signs of chrome lining in the barrel.

c. Birch or laminate stock? New or reissued.

d. Check the magazine for quality (or lack thereof) of the weld.

Is there a guide to serial numbers and proof marks for these rifles, either here in CGN or elsewhere, so that I can give people a general idea of the rifle's pedigree? (I may use that term loosely)

I've already got two Chinese (matching numbers used, an unfired mixed serials rifle, and an unfired Yugo M59). I'd really like one or two Rusky shooters with chromed bores, and hopefully not just two pitted and painted rifles.

I'm beginning to wonder whether the rifles were rearsennalled years ago or just painted prior to importation so as to look more like the others that have arrived on our shores. Enough speculation for now.....I'll report when they arrive.

Frank
 
Really my friend

Beadwindow said:
Okay,

So when I get these, the things to look out for are:

a. Whether any serial numbers match, or are force matched.

b. Look out for a step in the reciever (sign of an older rifle that should have a non-chromed bore) and check the muzzle, bore for signs of chrome lining in the barrel.

c. Birch or laminate stock? New or reissued.

d. Check the magazine for quality (or lack thereof) of the weld.

Is there a guide to serial numbers and proof marks for these rifles, either here in CGN or elsewhere, so that I can give people a general idea of the rifle's pedigree? (I may use that term loosely)

I've already got two Chinese (matching numbers used, an unfired mixed serials rifle, and an unfired Yugo M59). I'd really like one or two Rusky shooters with chromed bores, and hopefully not just two pitted and painted rifles.

I'm beginning to wonder whether the rifles were rearsennalled years ago or just painted prior to importation so as to look more like the others that have arrived on our shores. Enough speculation for now.....I'll report when they arrive.

Frank
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Bead,
You REALLY gotta go to the sticky to identify these rifles. A lot of what you asked is very mixed up. There are VERY fine examples of these rifles being sold now. This thread is to do with one supplier, actually started for two, but now narrowed down to one. They are not repainted in the local body shop. They were refurbished years ago in a Russian armoury by very fine craftsmen. The magazine issue is done by one of two importers, not by the individual gun. Do a lot of research in the next week or two and become informed, then buy your sweetheart SKS. I have mine and looking for a true love for a second...
 
vettefever333 said:
Bead,
You REALLY gotta go to the sticky to identify these rifles. A lot of what you asked is very mixed up. There are VERY fine examples of these rifles being sold now. This thread is to do with one supplier, actually started for two, but now narrowed down to one. They are not repainted in the local body shop. They were refurbished years ago in a Russian armoury by very fine craftsmen. The magazine issue is done by one of two importers, not by the individual gun. Do a lot of research in the next week or two and become informed, then buy your sweetheart SKS. I have mine and looking for a true love for a second...
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Vettefever,

I will take a closer look at the sticky for the info I'll need to identify year and manufacture of these rifles when they arrive.

One thing that might not be clear from my post is that I was one of the first two hundred to place an order (in my case for two rifles) with SIR about a year ago, paid for them last Monday and am expecting them to arrive any day now. I mentioned this a couple days ago in this thread, and perhaps ought to have said it again to provide greater context for my present query.

I realize that the Russian SKS is a fine rifle and that some really nice examples are currently being imported, and frankly don't mind a shooter grade made up of mixed parts, but don't look too favourably on the prospect of a non-chromed bore covered in black paint from a less than stellar re-arsenal job.

BTW, I have in the past couple of years gotten a couple of Mosins, an SVT40 and RC Mauser, all of which were re-arsenalled by Russian craftsmen at some point. I'm not too worried about the worksmanship, but would prefer a rifle that hasn't a dark bore and is well suited to firing corrosive ammo. I do have at least two rifles that shoot fine with dark bores, but I'd rather get something nicer if possible.

I suppose that in the worst case scenario I can sell these at cost and get a decent SKS from elsewhere, though it's too early to judge all of the SIR rifles based on one or two bad examples.

With Regards,

Frank
 
Gomer said:
Milsurp sight-in 101:
Drink one half of a beer.Turn on porch light.Throw half empty beer out onto lawn as far as you can.Load rifle.Shoot at beer can.Observe where shots hit.Adjust rear ladder sight down to 100M from 600m and try again.If beer can is hit even once rifle is a keeper.
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please tell us you live in a country side cos it would be against most municipalities bylaw or add joking icon to you post.
 
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I recieved my Frankenbeast today from SiR/Cabela delivered by UPS.It is a 1952, forced matched, Black bolted ,from the Bell shipment.The barrel looks new and chrome lined.If I was a collector I would not be too happy, but as a shooter It should do alright.My Old Norinco puts this one to shame on fit and finish.I guess I will hang on to that Chinese beauty. :pirate: It has a nice heft and feels like a solid old gun.Made in the same year as me so It couldn't be all bad.I'll probably take that black grunge paint off the bolt when I get around to degreasing Old Igor.For 200 bucks I don't feel ripped off.
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gandalfe said:
I recieved my Frankenbeast today from SiR/Cabela delivered by UPS.It is a 1952, forced matched, Black bolted ,from the Bell shipment.The barrel looks new and chrome lined.If I was a collector I would not be too happy, but as a shooter It should do alright.My Old Norinco puts this one to shame on fit and finish.I guess I will hang on to that Chinese beauty. :pirate: It has a nice heft and feels like a solid old gun.Made in the same year as me so It couldn't be all bad.I'll probably take that black grunge paint off the bolt when I get around to degreasing Old Igor.For 200 bucks I don't feel ripped off.
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That looks like mine.

Actually, they are in pretty good condition. They just got a face only a mother could love.

You are right. I think they will make great shooters as mine have bright shiny bores with sharp lands. It is just too bad they weren't parkerized when they were refurbed, and had the magazines modified better.

What was Ivan thinking?:confused:
 
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