Sk trespass law being changed; just a heads up

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philhut said:
So does this mean that people is Saskatchewan can protect themselves and their property from trespassers who dont ask permission? Or is this just liberal window dressing solutions in response to people feeling unsafe miles from police response.
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REASONABLE FORCE. You can't shoot some kid or the mailman, if the person is just standing there you can call the cops, if they are in you house and just standing there, there you can use reasonable force to make them leave. The amount of force has to be proportional. A confused elderly person doesn't need an a$$ full of buckshot, a man with a machete saying he is going to kill you and he is outside your bedroom door is a different story.
These laws make it easier for cops to charge trespassers, not make it easier for home owners to dispatch justice. On the flip side, this might put the onus on the owner to inform the trespasser... maybe the trespasser can get away with it if he is not informed? Hummmm
 
Now to post a quarter of land legally requires it to be posted every quarter mile and at all points of entry. A quarter of land is a half mile by half mile ,9 signs per quarter,times 8 quarters which is a hobby farmer today, at 2 bucks a sign what is the cost for the big land owners. The new law I hope will give us land owners some rights to who comes on our land, and protection from the courts. With out having to police it our selves. At a 1000.00 plus a acre who gives anyone the right to my land with out permission? Its just me the legal land owner. I will sigh a doc. to give you access to a said quarter, in case you get asked by some law enforcement officer, as I have done in the past for those who have asked. The RCMP would not come out before it was a civil complaint.
 
woodchopper said:
Well another heated thread on the same topic.

To me is just sounds like Saskatchewan is adopting the same laws as every other province.

I can't even imagine being able to just drive down the road see some deer way off in a field so go 4x4 off roadding and across someone's field to get close enough to get a shot off.

I've gotten permission to hunt private lands before and it can be a huge pain tracking down landowners, worse with some of the grazing leases which are crown land leases that the lease owner thinks he owns. But private property is owned by someone and they should have control over who is allowed on the property. Grazing lease I used to occasionally hunt has a no vehicles rule now after hunters rutted up the roads and the lease holder had to pull several trucks out of wet ground. I can't say I really blame them for the new rule.

Even when I was doing survey work and was allowed on private property without asking permission I would do my best to let the landowner know what I was doing.

There is also the potential liability issue should you be on someone property and get hurt on because of some hazards that may exist and you are unaware of, but the owner is aware of, like a gravel pit you drove your truck into.

I also see the point of the government not paying for crop damages caused by wildlife if the land owner does not allow some form of hunting on the land.
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Throwing the truck into 4 HI to chase wildlife has been illegal in Saskatchewan for as far back as I can remember.

Can surveyors go as they please? I'm thinking of testing that.
 
Is it possible climate change has brought this on?
Seems as the years go by its getting easier and easier to get around during regular white tail season in Zone 35.
 
sask378 said:
Can surveyors go as they please? I'm thinking of testing that.
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Kind of. The surveys act in Alberta gives us some authority to enter into private land. That said, I've always taken great care to talk to land owners before hand and to not cause damage (I'm not going to drive my quad through your newly seeded crop).

Here's the wording of the act:

Right to enter private property 16 1987 cS-29.1 s15 A surveyor and the surveyor’s authorized assistants may, using reasonable care, pass over, measure along and ascertain the bearings of any line or boundary, and for those purposes may pass over or through the land of any person, but the surveyor is liable for any damage the surveyor or the surveyor’s assistants cause. 1987 cS-29.1 s16
 
skhunter said:
This new law makes the hunter who uses the land and leaves it as he found it a criminal.
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Jesus I don't get how you can completely fail to understand simple ownership. It is not "the land" it is owned private property. You have no right to use it, be on it or hunt it.

skhunter said:
It is about a small percentage (going by respondents to the questionnaire) of farmers that feel disrespected making noise.
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LOL your rose colored skies. You mean the nearly 58,000 farmers that did not object to the change?

You are a broken record of BS and lies. Claiming that this turns hunters in to criminals and that some how you feel that you are entitled to use land other people own.

Shawn
 
tomestone said:
Now to post a quarter of land legally requires it to be posted every quarter mile and at all points of entry. A quarter of land is a half mile by half mile ,9 signs per quarter,times 8 quarters which is a hobby farmer today, at 2 bucks a sign what is the cost for the big land owners. The new law I hope will give us land owners some rights to who comes on our land, and protection from the courts. With out having to police it our selves. At a 1000.00 plus a acre who gives anyone the right to my land with out permission? Its just me the legal land owner. I will sigh a doc. to give you access to a said quarter, in case you get asked by some law enforcement officer, as I have done in the past for those who have asked. The RCMP would not come out before it was a civil complaint.
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So someone who owns a 8 quarters worth $1.28 million can't afford $144.00 for signs?

Land owners have the absolute right to decide who comes on their land now.

Nobody is claiming access is a right.
 
shawn said:
Jesus I don't get how you can completely fail to understand simple ownership. It is not "the land" it is owned private property. You have no right to use it, be on it or hunt it.



LOL your rose colored skies. You mean the nearly 58,000 farmers that did not object to the change?

You are a broken record of BS and lies. Claiming that this turns hunters in to criminals and that some how you feel that you are entitled to use land other people own.

Shawn
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No one is claiming access to private property is a right.

58,000 that didn't think it was a big enough problem to voice their concern.

Again, the change in the law criminalizes hunters for doing something that up until the law change was totally legal.
Just like the advent of the PAL turned gun ownership into a crime overnight.
 
skhunter said:
This new law makes the hunter who uses the land and leaves it as he found it a criminal. Yet he has done no damage to any person, livestock or property.

It is about a small percentage (going by respondents to the questionnaire) of farmers that feel disrespected making noise. Real thieves, vandals and poachers are not going to be slowed down by one more law.

Alberta has as big a rural crime problem as Sask despite having the very law some want to see implemented here.
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So are you:

A) A lazy entitled hunter who doesn't want to seek permission
B) A landowner that can't be bothered signing permission forms
C) Simply arguing for the sake of arguing



Which provinces do and don't require permission?
 
skhunter said:
No one is claiming access to private property is a right.

58,000 that didn't think it was a big enough problem to voice their concern.

Again, the change in the law criminalizes hunters for doing something that up until the law change was totally legal.
Just like the advent of the PAL turned gun ownership into a crime overnight.
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LOL

The hypocrisy

Now you claim that a law that returns property rights to owners, is the same as a law that removed property rights from owners. Must be great in your world with all the criminalization you have suffered over the years, you know bag limits, license requirements, slavery, etc etc

Just because it was once legal, does not make it right.

You are ridiculous

Shawn
 
canadian hunter312 said:
So are you:

A) A lazy entitled hunter who doesn't want to seek permission
B) A landowner that can't be bothered signing permission forms
C) Simply arguing for the sake of arguing



Which provinces do and don't require permission?
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I am a land owner without an inferiority complex that doesn't lose sleep over some hunter using my land responsibly without my permission.
 
shawn said:
LOL

The hypocrisy

Now you claim that a law that returns property rights to owners, is the same as a law that removed property rights from owners. Must be great in your world with all the criminalization you have suffered over the years, you know bag limits, license requirements, slavery, etc etc

Just because it was once legal, does not make it right.

You are ridiculous

Shawn
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Land owners have always had the right to control who uses their land.

Just because you are too lazy to assert your rights doesn't mean they don't exist.

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coyoteking said:
Tell me again how I was wrong about enclosed property not requiring signs.
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A barb wire fence is a restraint, ruling in Prov. Court I was there. a feed lot will be enclosed, enclosed no escape. can't hunt with in 500 meters of a stockade or corral occupied by people or livestock,without consent.
 
skhunter said:
Land owners have always had the right to control who uses their land.

Just because you are too lazy to assert your rights doesn't mean they don't exist.

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You get want your earn

Just like respect, you earn it, you have to earn permission or money to own land to use it. Get over it you are wrong and the majority of people think you are

Shawn
 
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