SKS Ukraine

If they are the once which were prepared for Canada 100% they may be pinned. They are probably swearing and cursing who pinned them and why
 
My friends tell me pro-russian terrorists have not captured surplus guns yet. Here are their sources of guns: russian army special forces small groups deployed with their modern AKs 105 and MGs, russian and chechen volonteers stormed through the border were also trained and equipped with russian AKs, some Ukrainian AKs captured in Crimea being smuggled over the sea, some local AKs taken from police and special services, and finally civil guns -SKSs, AKs converted to semiauto. Ukrainian laws do not limit mags.
 
Quiet said:
More fearsome yet is the probability that the ones with the SKS were more likely to be aiming their shots.
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More true than you might realize. Chinese military tactics were to place the SKS troops 50-100 yards behind the AK/Assault rifle troops, to lay down controlled, deliberate, aimed fire. They passed this tactical methodology on to the NVA, who in turn trained the VC guerrillas.

Not quite a DMR style of tactic (need to be a bit further behind the front charge than 50 to 100 yards for DMR style shooting), but a good way to preserve the troops who showed they actually knew how to stay calm and aim, and at the same time put them to effective use.
 
grelmar said:
More true than you might realize. Chinese military tactics were to place the SKS troops 50-100 yards behind the AK/Assault rifle troops, to lay down controlled, deliberate, aimed fire. They passed this tactical methodology on to the NVA, who in turn trained the VC guerrillas.

Not quite a DMR style of tactic (need to be a bit further behind the front charge than 50 to 100 yards for DMR style shooting), but a good way to preserve the troops who showed they actually knew how to stay calm and aim, and at the same time put them to effective use.
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Interesting. I've owned a few Russian SKS's from Tula and Izzy, but my Chinese SKS Factory 625 has by far the best trigger pull. It is several magnitudes better then the Russians. I tend to be quite a bit more accurate with it.
 
grelmar said:
Not to mention the mags themselves add a not insubstantial amount of weight/bulk to the load out. You can carry an extra 50% or so ammo for the same weight/space if it's all loaded on stripper clips instead of mags. For a "run from rabbit hole to rabbit hole" insurgency, where re-supply is never guaranteed, those extra bullets count.

I feel sorry for everyone in the Ukraine right now. Geographically, it's located in a spot that pretty much guarantees their neighbours will f@ck them over on a regular basis for minor global strategic gains. That's the long and sad history of the region.

Easy to point the finger at Putin and say "Bully!!!" but I don't think he had much choice. The US was running classic psy-ops, opposition funding, regime destabilizing, in the country for the past decade. Sooner or later, it was bound to force Russia's hand. The Crimean ports are far too strategically important for Russia for them to just stand back and say "Okeleedokelee neighbour."

The US and EU are as much to blame as Russia in all this. The Russians may be a lot less subtle, but in a way, they're being more honest about it.
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I have to disagree. Mags allow you to carry more ammo not less. 5 round mags make it difficult to understand that 10x30rnd=300 you can fit two 30 rnd mags in your pocket easier then 6 stripper clips. This is why no one uses strippers realistically. Also administratively magazines on a chest rig are simply more manageable then clips in a dump pouch. The difference is cost.... Strippers are cheap cheap cheap!,,
 
Sevensixtwo said:
I have to disagree. Mags allow you to carry more ammo not less. 5 round mags make it difficult to understand that 10x30rnd=300 you can fit two 30 rnd mags in your pocket easier then 6 stripper clips. This is why no one uses strippers realistically. Also administratively magazines on a chest rig are simply more manageable then clips in a dump pouch. The difference is cost.... Strippers are cheap cheap cheap!,,
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By Vietnam (even before), there were stripper clip bandoleers. I have a couple of Chinese surplus bandoleers from that era, each hold 20 stripper clips for 200 rounds total. For me, I can easily carry 2 bandoleers for 400 rounds total, cross chest style, and be able to access all my ammo easily. Or wrap one around my waist, with the other rolled up and tucked into a backpack in a FAR smaller amount of space than even 6 30 round mags (which would only be 180 rounds.)

I've compared them directly against 7.62x39 magazines in pouches. By both volume and weight, you get 20-30% more ammo vs. magazines.

The reason no one uses stripper clips anymore (well, mostly), is speed of reload and available ammo in the firearm at moment of contact. With a stripper clip fed SKS with the integral 10 round mag, you have 10 rounds loaded at moment of contact, as opposed to 30 in a magazine, and reload times swapping magazines is quicker and easier than pushing in stripper clips.

Magazine win column: Sped and ease of reload. Available ammo in firearm at moment of contact.
Stripper Clip win column: Less total weight and bulk.

It is very rare in firearms design and engineering (in fact, in engineering in general), that one system or design dominates another in all areas. It's all about compromises, and choosing which compromises are best suited for your application.
 
Quiet said:
More fearsome yet is the probability that the ones with the SKS were more likely to be aiming their shots.
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Ack that! I served with both the FN C1 and the C7. I hit alot more stuff further out with the FN than I did with the C7. Never under estimate a battle rifle in a long range fire fight versus an assault rifle.
 
Not an SKS, but a great photo of a Russian separatist fighter in the Ukraine holding an RC Mauser...

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Our SKSs came from Ukraine. And SKSs on civil market there are much more expensive, beaters $200-300, good ones $500-600. State did not want cheap weapon to be widely available to Ukrainians.
 
grelmar said:
By Vietnam (even before), there were stripper clip bandoleers. I have a couple of Chinese surplus bandoleers from that era, each hold 20 stripper clips for 200 rounds total. For me, I can easily carry 2 bandoleers for 400 rounds total, cross chest style, and be able to access all my ammo easily.
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Wouldn't happen to have pics would you?
Thanks 4x4
 
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