SKS Ukraine

Picture in the Calgary Herald last week showed 3 guys armed with an AK47, an SKS, and what was clearly a Simonov Anti-tank rifle (about 7 feet long)! Where did that come from?

Milsurpo
 
Here is another one from "the Telegraph"
Not entirely sure what that monster thing Buddy next to the Guy with the SKS is shooting...guessing some kind of anti-vehicle Weapon.

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...-Russian-rebels-in-Donetsk.html?frame=2923088
 
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KGB2014 said:
It actually looks like an oversized SKS on steroids! Take a closer look: the bolt carrier is a carbon copy of the sks, same as the whole front of the rifle....
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lol Yeah it does... your right the whole back end looks exactly like the SKS set up, I feel sorry for the person or vehicle on the receiving end of that thing.
 
That is a PTRS, a WWII era semi-automatic anti-tank rifle. It shoots the 14.5x114. It is also basically a giant SKS (it would be more accurate to say the SKS is a smaller PTRS as the PTRS came first).
 
Eaglelord17 said:
That is a PTRS, a WWII era semi-automatic anti-tank rifle. It shoots the 14.5x114. It is also basically a giant SKS (it would be more accurate to say the SKS is a smaller PTRS as the PTRS came first).
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I would imagine that would have an awful recoil to it, I just noticed that the guy behind the guy with the PTRS appears to have an SKS Rifle as well. Amazing these SKS Rifles are still used in Combat....says something about the ruggedness and reliability of these Guns.
 
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KGB2014 said:
PTRS.... Can we get one of these here? It could be in a non restricted category! I'll take one! Hey, Westrifle guy, what do you think?
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There are some in Canada, as well as the PTRD (a single shot bolt action shooting the same caliber and created around the same time). The only issue is finding ammo (there are some guys on here who have been searching for a while to try and feed these).
 
grelmar said:
The reason no one uses stripper clips anymore (well, mostly), is speed of reload and available ammo in the firearm at moment of contact. With a stripper clip fed SKS with the integral 10 round mag, you have 10 rounds loaded at moment of contact, as opposed to 30 in a magazine, and reload times swapping magazines is quicker and easier than pushing in stripper clips.

Magazine win column: Sped and ease of reload. Available ammo in firearm at moment of contact.
Stripper Clip win column: Less total weight and bulk.
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Having carried my weapon in combat, I'll stick to my 6 to 10 mags and another 150 to 200 rds in strippers in my pack thanks. A mag can be reloaded in seconds with 30 rds using an issued mag loader.
 
Canadian Sig said:
Having carried my weapon in combat, I'll stick to my 6 to 10 mags and another 150 to 200 rds in strippers in my pack thanks. A mag can be reloaded in seconds with 30 rds using an issued mag loader.
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I wasn't saying that stripper clips are better overall, just that they do have some advantages, specifically less weight and bulk. For insurgent "shoot and scoot" tactics, they can get the job done.

Personally, if I'm ever in a firefight, it won't matter much either way. Old and slow with bad knees, my primary function will be bullet absorber :evil: momentary distraction for the young an quick.
 
Horilka said:
My friends tell me pro-russian terrorists have not captured surplus guns yet. Here are their sources of guns: russian army special forces small groups deployed with their modern AKs 105 and MGs, russian and chechen volonteers stormed through the border were also trained and equipped with russian AKs, some Ukrainian AKs captured in Crimea being smuggled over the sea, some local AKs taken from police and special services, and finally civil guns -SKSs, AKs converted to semiauto. Ukrainian laws do not limit mags.
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And another source is retired veterans of military service.
 
Strato50 said:
Quite a mixed bag there in uniforms...I guess they just grabbed whatever was available.
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Roger that, likely got the stuff mail order, there is a huge army surplus outfit in Austria (a non-aligned neutral) that claims to 13000 customers in Ukaine. They stock everything European and some US stuff as well. Russia has right wingers playing war games with SKS and bolt action rifles on the weekend, so I imagine there are groups in Ukraine doing this before it got real. Can't do that in Canada though it is a criminal code violation to full para-military groups and drill with arms.
 
fraserdw said:
Roger that, likely got the stuff mail order, there is a huge army surplus outfit in Austria (a non-aligned neutral) that claims to 13000 customers in Ukaine. They stock everything European and some US stuff as well. Russia has right wingers playing war games with SKS and bolt action rifles on the weekend, so I imagine there are groups in Ukraine doing this before it got real. Can't do that in Canada though it is a criminal code violation to full para-military groups and drill with arms.[/QUOTE]

I'm glad for that too. Anyone who wants to play soldier here, they can just join up and do something really productive with themselves.

Edit: The only grey fuzzy place in between with one iota of common sense is organized service rifle competition.
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fraserdw said:
...Can't do that in Canada though it is a criminal code violation to full para-military groups and drill with arms...
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Can't do that openly you mean. But if you think it doesn't happen, then you don't get out of the city enough to realize just how freaking huge and empty and essentially un-patrollable this country is.

There is a lot of weirdness once you get an hour outside the urban areas. The prairies are vast, the BC interior is vast and almost devoid of human interference an hour drive north of the Canada #1. Rural RCMP dispatches are small, and they stick to keeping an eye on whatever local town there is and don't spend much (if any) time on the gravel hassling good ol' boys when they can get their traffic ticket quotas on the pavement tagging out of towners speeding through from Point A to Point B.

Country folk have precious little patience for the RCMP, and aren't about to rat if their neighbour and his buddies want to play wargames on their own land on the weekend. Unless something comes along that forces them to investigate (a reported break-in, assault, etc. ) most RCMP are content to live and let live, because they're actually more effective at their jobs and get better co-operation from the locals if they do.
 
I wasn't thinking anything on the subject other than what the law syas and I live 45 minutes to the nearest town on 300 acres of my own surrounded by 10,000 of the crown's!
 
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