SKS vs type 81

angrysoldier said:
human factor was limited. shot one rifle after another. neither was treated diffrent. please show me how you would do better? im waiting for your videos and pics?
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If i Must, fine. I dont wana be a prick but fine here we go. In your own words and only because you seem so positive.

Quotes from you on your video "I haven't shot in quite a while" "Ok that was a little rushed" "yah see thats mostly me guys, thats mostly me..." "But hey it does shoot minute of man right?" "im so bad"

Human factor is limited though. :confused:

If you are really trying to compare accuracy of a fire arm, you would think to replicate some of the most accurate type of shooting out there. Bench rest. You support the front of the rifle, but you have 0 support on the back other then your body... So there is a TON of human factor there especially in verticle spread. (assuming you are using the same ammo for both guns)
Not to mention you shot 1 five shot group out of each rifle... That says nothing. lol
Also shot from 50 yards?! Lol
Using previously shot targets also... So how do we know what was you? Other then what you say ?

Listen I think comparing a Russian gun older then most on this form and a Chinese bullet hose for accuracy is one of the silliest things you can do out there.
Dont try and draw a definite conclusion from this video though and pass it off as a legit testing lol.

If someone is doing an "accuracy test" and it looks like this (picture below), I may take it a little more seriously. Even then there is still room for error lol.

Listen your 81 is sweet! So is the sks! Go out, enjoy them! I would be having a ton of fun with them also! We need to be realistic about them though. Im sorry it seems im harping on your but doing an accuracy test on this type of firearm is pointless. Im sure most of them get hip fired or shot in fast succession like you did in your video! lol Not looking for accuracy just fun!

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Well, I watched the video for the first time, and after reading the comments from Canadiankeeper I did so with a critical eye.

Distance is 50m tops in my estimation, counting steps after dropping the 81 in the snow to the target is about 30 paces to the target. Walking back I count about 40 paces, but there was a bit of a sidestep to view the second (81) target. 1 metre is a pretty good stride, from what I could tell the steps in the snow were less than that, obviously from having to walk in snow.

Actual distance may be closer to 25m in my opinion.

I know my comments will ruffle some feathers but I have to be honest, this is not the best comparison to use as an example.
 
U guys are taking Angrysoldiers video waaaaaaaay to literally. There was OBVIOUSLY ALOT of human error with both rifles. His video was more a comparison on how he himself performs between rifles rather that what the rifles are actually capable of.

I agree with Canadian keeper 100% ur never going to whitness a rifles true accuracy potential unless u lead sled / full bench rest it. And arguably optics could play a big role as well depending on gun.
 
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ComradeVlad said:
U guys are taking Angrysoldiers video waaaaaaaay to literally. There was OBVIOUSLY ALOT of human error with both rifles. His video was more a comparison on how he himself performs between rifles rather that what the rifles are actually capable of.

I agree with Canadian keeper 100% ur never going to whitness a rifles true accuracy potential unless u lead sled / full bench rest it. And arguable optics could play a big role as well depending on gun.
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Considering a type 81 front sight is wider than an NRA standard 100m target, a scoped rifle would certainly aid consistency.
 
Claven2 said:
Considering a type 81 front sight is wider than an NRA standard 100m target, a scoped rifle would certainly aid consistency.
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Doesn't matter how wide the front sight is if you use a 6'oclock hold.
I'm sure it's no wider then a standard M1 or M14 front sight.
 
Claven2 said:
Firearms age my butt. Your t81 group is under half the size of that of your sks. Matches my findings pretty closely, in my experience sks stocks are often not fitted very well and the performance is affected by that fit. The 81 design is immune to that issue.
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Some of the Russian SKS's are fit well to their stocks and shoot well due to that. The Chinese ones seem very loose. My chinese never did shoot a bad group (for an SKS) in the factory wood, but point of impact would shift a lot between sessions. I gave up trying to shim it in the stock and bought a Tapco T-6 for it, shrunk my 100yard groups down to 1.5-3'' and it now keeps point of impact.
 
Hitzy said:
Doesn't matter how wide the front sight is if you use a 6'oclock hold.
I'm sure it's no wider then a standard M1 or M14 front sight.
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It still matters. It's easier to use a crosshair than a flat top post where you guesstimate the center of it. A 6bhold helps, but it's not as precise unless you have an inverted v sight that comes to a sharp point like a Maurer.
 
ComradeVlad said:
U guys are taking Angrysoldiers video waaaaaaaay to literally. There was OBVIOUSLY ALOT of human error with both rifles. His video was more a comparison on how he himself performs between rifles rather that what the rifles are actually capable of.

I agree with Canadian keeper 100% ur never going to whitness a rifles true accuracy potential unless u lead sled / full bench rest it. And arguably optics could play a big role as well depending on gun.
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Haha, well I wasn't going to take it super seriously. I was pointing out it is more of a video of use not a video of accuracy testing until he tried to pass it as a valid accuracy test by saying this.
angrysoldier said:
human factor was limited. shot one rifle after another. neither was treated diffrent. please show me how you would do better? im waiting for your videos and pics?
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Throwing up a 50 yard(ish, maybe?) sks group like its a shot gun then saying its a legit representation of the rifles accuracy lol.
 
Claven2 said:
It still matters. It's easier to use a crosshair than a flat top post where you guesstimate the center of it. A 6bhold helps, but it's not as precise unless you have an inverted v sight that comes to a sharp point like a Maurer.
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Well I've never found it to be an issue at all, center the target over the front sight and shoot, narrow or wide, same difference.
Use a corner of the front sight if you want more precision, zero for a 6'oclock hold. It works well with a little practice
 
Hitzy said:
Well I've never found it to be an issue at all, center the target over the front sight and shoot, narrow or wide, same difference.
Use a corner of the front sight if you want more precision, zero for a 6'oclock hold. It works well with a little practice
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If you say so, except there's a reason the military universally uses optics now and not iron sights. It really does make accurate shooting easier.
 
Claven2 said:
If you say so, except there's a reason the military universally uses optics now and not iron sights. It really does make accurate shooting easier.
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Its also because basic marksmanship is slowly fading away. You don't have to train people when all they have to do is place the dot/chevron on the target and squeeze. When we remove C79s from the C8s, we get more failures at yearly qualifications. Those who pass are in 2 categories:

A) barely passed
B) same score as with optics
 
Canadiankeeper said:
If i Must, fine. I dont wana be a prick but fine here we go. In your own words and only because you seem so positive.

Quotes from you on your video "I haven't shot in quite a while" "Ok that was a little rushed" "yah see thats mostly me guys, thats mostly me..." "But hey it does shoot minute of man right?" "im so bad"

Human factor is limited though. :confused:

If you are really trying to compare accuracy of a fire arm, you would think to replicate some of the most accurate type of shooting out there. Bench rest. You support the front of the rifle, but you have 0 support on the back other then your body... So there is a TON of human factor there especially in verticle spread. (assuming you are using the same ammo for both guns)
Not to mention you shot 1 five shot group out of each rifle... That says nothing. lol
Also shot from 50 yards?! Lol
Using previously shot targets also... So how do we know what was you? Other then what you say ?

Listen I think comparing a Russian gun older then most on this form and a Chinese bullet hose for accuracy is one of the silliest things you can do out there.
Dont try and draw a definite conclusion from this video though and pass it off as a legit testing lol.

If someone is doing an "accuracy test" and it looks like this (picture below), I may take it a little more seriously. Even then there is still room for error lol.

Listen your 81 is sweet! So is the sks! Go out, enjoy them! I would be having a ton of fun with them also! We need to be realistic about them though. Im sorry it seems im harping on your but doing an accuracy test on this type of firearm is pointless. Im sure most of them get hip fired or shot in fast succession like you did in your video! lol Not looking for accuracy just fun!

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Have you ever been to a gun range at -20? You seem to be an armchair sniper. As I said post your pics and videos or gtfoh.
 
I quess it varies between detachments and years.. But the RCMP are having trouble with their frontline members qualifications? If they don't pass they still go back on the street.
Not enough or any training or practise. Talked to a older retired member and they use to practise all the time. Now I quess it is just a job.
Where the B.C. CO's They are mandated and have the funding to train and practise and qualify. I asked a CO what happens if they don't qualify?
His response " I won't have a job"
 
ComradeVlad said:
U guys are taking Angrysoldiers video waaaaaaaay to literally. There was OBVIOUSLY ALOT of human error with both rifles. His video was more a comparison on how he himself performs between rifles rather that what the rifles are actually capable of.

I agree with Canadian keeper 100% ur never going to whitness a rifles true accuracy potential unless u lead sled / full bench rest it. And arguably optics could play a big role as well depending on gun.
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klaus enuff said:
Well, I watched the video for the first time, and after reading the comments from Canadiankeeper I did so with a critical eye.

Distance is 50m tops in my estimation, counting steps after dropping the 81 in the snow to the target is about 30 paces to the target. Walking back I count about 40 paces, but there was a bit of a sidestep to view the second (81) target. 1 metre is a pretty good stride, from what I could tell the steps in the snow were less than that, obviously from having to walk in snow.

Actual distance may be closer to 25m in my opinion.

I know my comments will ruffle some feathers but I have to be honest, this is not the best comparison to use as an example.
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angrysoldier said:
Please feel free to post your own review. This was unbiased review but not scientific in any way. I usually shoot better but due to a pretty bad storm bearing down on us here in the east coast I didn't want to spend all day at the range. As I said feel free to get out on your own time and please post a video. I know all those cgn operators and snipers need some material to pleasure themselves to.

Cheers
Angry
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Your "accuracy" test was poorly done. Even you admit yourself it is, multiple times in writing and the video. So why try to make a conclusion one is better then the other from poor or limited information/testing.
Seems a few are calling you out also. Even your self stated this is not a scientific review. So why try to keep arguing it is ?

Angry, you mad? Would you consider your feathers sufficiently ruffled? Everyone had a bad day at the range. Relax. Maybe get a rear bag or support back there. lol

If you really want I can post pics of groups of various rifles. Although I did not buy a t81 (I generally stay away from pre orders and gen1 products. Learned my lesson with the XCR-L gen1). So what would make you happy ?

Here is a photo of my annie completeing the 1/2" at 50 yards chal with 22LR.
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It really isn't representative of what an SKS can do at 50 meters in though, or any revealing comparison between the two rifles.
 
Yeah, well I ain't saying I would have done better or trying to be rude or call anyone out just saying that is not a fair representation of what an SKS can do at 50 yards and I am surprised people are taking that "test" as worth anything.
 
At the last local milshoot I attended, SKS's cleaned up... I was impressed. These are average Joe's, match shot at 100m, consists of 10 rounds each standing, standing snap, prone, kneeling. The SKS guys were ringing in around 350 out of a possible 400. That's lots of 10's and 9's.
 
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