So, is the RFB all that we thought it'd be?

rally guy said:
So what swayd you by curiousity?
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The fact that the vast majority of you gun freaks seem to approve of this rifle. There was a guy selling his RFB a coupla weeks back. I did a search on his recent posts and discovered that he'd been posting about issues with his newly-acquired rifle. That sorta put me off....

hbean said:
Like all these type of post, "Nothing", he has already made his mind up long ago, he just needed that extra push ;)
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Lies, all lies. Take it back. I own guns AND ammo, I could make you be sorry for what you posted :D

Epoxy7 said:
Make sure to get the bottom rail it's $55 and worth it for this rifle. It allows you to put a vertical grip, bipod or anything else there. It also helps give the front polymer a more substantial feel. I'm not huge on rails but in this case it should come with the firearm and was one add on that I felt was a solid purchase.
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Thx for the advice, but if I don't like it, can I remove it without the rifle looking weird afterwards?

fireball said:
Epoxy7, If you shot your Teddy you wouldn't have anything to cuddle at night.
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Fireball, that's just plain sick. I think a telephone call to the firearms centre about your "issues" is in order. :D
 
Love the rifle - it's one of my favorites to shoot with, although I have had some feeding issues, I'm sure I'll be able to correct. I bought a couple of 5 round mags so I could use a sand bag under the stock when shooting from the bench.
 
peter2772000 said:
Epoxy7 said:
Make sure to get the bottom rail it's $55 and worth it for this rifle. It allows you to put a vertical grip, bipod or anything else there. It also helps give the front polymer a more substantial feel. I'm not huge on rails but in this case it should come with the firearm and was one add on that I felt was a solid purchase.
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Thx for the advice, but if I don't like it, can I remove it without the rifle looking weird afterwards?
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Yes! The forend is made of two pieces held together with allen screws. Each half has several hemispheres moulded into the bottom so that when the two halves are together they form circular holes. To attach the rail you take the forend apart, slip the rail into the holes and screw the forend together again - reverse for removal. If I remember correctly, the rifle needs to be partly disassembled to do this. It is not a complicated process, but does take a few minutes. The rail is also very solid once in place.
 
fireball said:
Ooooo, s**t! Yogi didn't stand a chance.

I would have been out for deer at the beginning of September but I've herniated two discs in my back. :mad:
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Hemorrhoids flaring up again? :p . Ohhh right "herniated" discs. Sorry I forgot.

peter2772000 said:
Fireball, that's just plain sick. I think a telephone call to the firearms centre about your "issues" is in order. :D
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That about sums it up :D

Back to the RFB:

It's new so the ammo of choice and it's quirks aren't really known yet. We're still working on it. That's actually the fun part. It's pretty much the only Kel-tec product I've ever looked at more than once. I'm not really interested in their other stuff. The RFB is a decent rifle providing you aren't expecting 1/4 moa all day "As long as I do my part" internet stuff. The ergonomics aren't bad but they are slower than an AR or the Tavor. Once you get used to it though it's decent. I'm happy with mine. I just need to get shooting it.
 
Had mine out today at Poco - ran a couple hundred rounds through it with NO problems. Functioned flawlessly :) (which is more than I can say for my Ruger MkIII!!!)

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RFB problems !

There is one MAJOR problem with the RFB.

The "weldments" attached to the bolt cover holding the bolt springs were stainless and the welds let go.

Keltecs solution was to use regular steel (identified by oval weld holes visible on the outside of the cover).
It didnt work as the bolt cover was to thin a stamping for a solid weld and the welds let go.

Apparently now the repair is a thicker bolt cover and an additional spring system running forward to the gas piston to help relieve the strain on the weldments.
I'm told that Vault has finally received the upgrade for warranty repairs and I hope they get enough repair parts for the Kanuck market.

Any radical new design has to go through "teething issues" just like the M16 did.

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chopper 1 said:
There is one MAJOR problem with the RFB.

The "weldments" attached to the bolt cover holding the bolt springs were stainless and the welds let go.

Keltecs solution was to use regular steel (identified by oval weld holes visible on the outside of the cover).
It didnt work as the bolt cover was to thin a stamping for a solid weld and the welds let go.

Apparently now the repair is a thicker bolt cover and an additional spring system running forward to the gas piston to help relieve the strain on the weldments.
I'm told that Vault has finally received the upgrade for warranty repairs and I hope they get enough repair parts for the Kanuck market.

Any radical new design has to go through "teething issues" just like the M16 did.

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Hmmmm.... so we will have to see if down the road more people have this problem or if you happened to get a badly welded unit.
 
I was pretty sure the weld problem was pre Canadian version. I recall reading about it on KTOG. Ours were much later. Keep in mind this firearm was in production for a very long time, and released for a few years in very limited pretty much hand made numbers.

Also they have upgraded the gas system from what I have read. I believe that was after a lot of us got ours here.

So far no problems with mine.
 
Sorry

Epoxy7 said:
I was pretty sure the weld problem was pre Canadian version. I recall reading about it on KTOG. Ours were much later. Keep in mind this firearm was in production for a very long time, and released for a few years in very limited pretty much hand made numbers.

Also they have upgraded the gas system from what I have read. I believe that was after a lot of us got ours here.

So far no problems with mine.
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The Canuck RFB's were early RFB'S extensively tested (prior to the flaws being discovered).

ALL ours are suffering including the supposed generation 2.

The real generation 2 parts have only just recently arrived -

ALL the Kanuck RFB'S have the weldment problem -

No rifles with the correct fix have been shipped to Kanada -

And I believe no gen2 {or very few} have been shipped stateside.

Our fix parts have been slow because I believe all the fix parts have AmeriKa priority -

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Nope

Scarheart said:
Hmmmm.... so we will have to see if down the road more people have this problem or if you happened to get a badly welded unit.
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I have seen several canuck RFB's with this problem.

It is the most common AmeriKan warranty return -

I predict it will happen eventually to many if not all canuck RFB's -
Its an original design flaw -(just look at how small the weldments are for a .308)

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Me too. I thought the issue was with incomplete penetration of the welds and that if you can see the marks on the other side you're good to go as the weld penetration is complete.
 
Went out with my son the other day as he just got his RFB. Would not shoot more than two rounds without jamming. Appears the empty is not being held properly or at all so when the bolt comes forward it jams it and will actually square the neck of the empty. Took it back to Vancouver on Saturday for warranty. Explained what we thought it was doing and it goes to the importer for warranty on Tuesday. Waited since Jan for his so rather disappointed.
 
enfield303t said:
Went out with my son the other day as he just got his RFB. Would not shoot more than two rounds without jamming. Appears the empty is not being held properly or at all so when the bolt comes forward it jams it and will actually square the neck of the empty. Took it back to Vancouver on Saturday for warranty. Explained what we thought it was doing and it goes to the importer for warranty on Tuesday. Waited since Jan for his so rather disappointed.
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Mine does the same thing when Im shooting ladder loads and the gas isn't adjusted properly.
 
enfield303t said:
We tried various brands of ammo, mags and every gas setting imaginable. Nothing helped and the importer wants to see what the problem is.
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Fair enough but they are a bit finiky if not excessively lubed while breaking in.

Do you mind posting how many rounds were put through the RFB?
 
I'm one of the unfortunate ones... Welds broke on one side, i'd say about 200 rounds through the barrel. But it was handled quickly by Vault, and a new dustcover/spring already in the mail.. So RFB will be up and running for deer season.
The new part is already made differently, no welds, I think it's milled or something.

I still love this rifle, and happy that I have it :)
 
Wow, that sucks. Just checked mine, and everything looks OK. Please post a pic of the new part, when you get it... I'd like to see what they do differently


Dmitri said:
Welds broke on one side, i'd say about 200 rounds through the barrel.

new dustcover/spring already in the mail..

The new part is already made differently, no welds, I think it's milled or something.
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