Soo my Type 97 just blew up on me

thump_rrr said:
This is what I do to prevent powder mix ups.

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One more reason for me to get a Hornady Powder Measure. How are they for cutting kernels?

Colin said:
The reality is that we are all human, had you told me last week I might do so this, i too would have said "no way". But it happened, I read enough coroner reports to see a lot people who said "it can't happen to me" , but it does.
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I do my own car repairs, and if you told me I'd forget to torque one of my wheels I'd laugh at you...till my wheel fell off. My reloading bench would probably make most of you have a heart attack, total chaos, but I triple check (at least) everything. I'm also constantly re-checking weights, seating depths, etc.. "That could never happen to me"...until I watched that wheel go on a little solo tour. I've always treated reloading like I'm disarming a bomb, now I treat car repairs the same way.
 
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tootall said:
IIRC, the Egyptian contract FN-49 had a floating firing pin, and that resulted in a few going poof too.
And no one would say that FN is crap.
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This is true, the only fix is to get the two pc firing pin with spring. The Egyptian FN-49 is a very risky rifle to shoot when using
soft primers, I was using military ammo and still had an out of battery ignition...

been 23 years with numb fingers and brass cartridge case schrapnel still embedded in my hands.

I am glad the OP is ok. Brings some memories back.
 
Holy ####. This exact failure happened to me in March!!!

I sent my rifle to North Sylva and they put the blame on over pressure from ammunition (or another possibility that was listed was abuse by myself or someone else which I highly doubt was the case).

Pictures of my failure can be seen here

I am very glad you are okay. I ended up with a severe concussion (still recovering) and was off work for nearly a month.

I am now speaking with the ammunition manufacturer to investigate further.
 
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dogfoodenforcer said:
Holy ####. This exact failure happened to me in March!!!

I sent my rifle to North Sylva and they blamed it on overpressure from ammunition (or abuse by myself or someone else which definitely wasn't the case). They have since stopped responding to ANY of my emails. This seems to be a larger issue that they won't admit to.

Pictures of my failure can be seen here

I am very glad you are okay. I ended up with a severe concussion (still recovering) and was off work for nearly a month.

Shoot me a PM if you want to talk. This is pretty serious and it might be an idea to lawyer up.
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WOW just WOW

You have no clue about guns or what causes an over pressure. Your probably the type that sues McDonald for hot coffee...
 
dogfoodenforcer said:
Holy ####. This exact failure happened to me in March!!!

I sent my rifle to North Sylva and they blamed it on overpressure from ammunition (or abuse by myself or someone else which definitely wasn't the case). They have since stopped responding to ANY of my emails. This seems to be a larger issue that they won't admit to.

Pictures of my failure can be seen here

I am very glad you are okay. I ended up with a severe concussion (still recovering) and was off work for nearly a month.

Shoot me a PM if you want to talk. This is pretty serious and it might be an idea to lawyer up.
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You didn't read the thread did you? lol...
 
I am simply relaying exactly what was said on my rifle's report. "Failure due to over pressure caused by reloaded ammunition" (mine was not reloaded ammo). Over pressure seems to be fairly self explanatory. Too much pressure (above what the receiver and parts are rated for) leads to a failure of said firearm.

No need to be a ####.

I have since read through the thread and realize the OP was using reloaded ammunition, which is making my issue appear to be related to ammunition as well.
 
dogfoodenforcer said:
I am simply relaying exactly what was said on my rifle's report. "Failure due to over pressure caused by reloaded ammunition" (mine was not reloaded ammo). Over pressure seems to be fairly self explanatory. Too much pressure (above what the receiver and parts are rated for) leads to a failure of said firearm.

No need to be a ####.

I have since read through the thread and realize the OP was using reloaded ammunition, which is making my issue appear to be related to ammunition as well.
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I was being very blunt because you want to SUE a company over something that was not at all their fault.
 
I don't know. I could be wrong, but you seem to have insinuated that this was a larger T97 issue, that won't be admitted....

So far, I've seen more T97's explode, to no fault of the rifle design itself, with less injury than other rifles.
 
Dsiwy said:
I was being very blunt because you want to SUE a company over something that was not at all their fault.
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Yes, and after reading the rest of the thread I have changed my tone as it actually lines up with what the importer said. I first saw the images of the failure and jumped right on replying. Edited my original post to reflect this.
 
DVX said:
I don't know. I could be wrong, but you seem to have insinuated that this was a larger T97 issue, that won't be admitted....

So far, I've seen more T97's explode, to no fault of the rifle design itself, with less injury than other rifles.
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I would agree that despite failing, it failed in the best possible way (unless you're a lefty!). I was actually very impressed with how it seemed to fail in a way that directed all force away from the shooter (despite some unavoidable concussive blast).
 
tootall said:
Hey Colin,
Glad that you are not toooo damaged.

Another member here contacted me about a similar blow up.
(I posted a WTB ad http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/1389878-Cheap-(damaged-)-T-97?highlight=t-97 for a damaged T97)
He was using factory loads when his let go.
So far, he has not posted here, so I wont name him.

His didnt trash the rear plastic as bad, but it did break a bit.
It blew the bolt lugs apart, and bent the shield part of the bolt carrier.
Yours looks like it has a bit of a bend too.

I'm beginning to wonder if I should rethink my barrel swap idea...
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Now that he has posted here, I'll confirm that I was referring to dogfoodenforcer.
I did not know how serious his blow-up was. A month off work! Yikes!
 
tootall said:
Now that he has posted here, I'll confirm that I was referring to dogfoodenforcer.
I did not know how serious his blow-up was. A month off work! Yikes!
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Does the T97 have a feature to prevent out-of-battery detonations? For how new these rifles are to the Canadian market, there seem to have been quite a few kabooms. This one not included of course, as it was an ammo issue.
 
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Does the T97 have a feature to prevent out-of-battery detonations? For how new these rifles are to the Canadian market, there seem to have been quite a few kabooms. This one not included of course, as it was an ammo issue.
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Hmm interestingly enough it seems like they don't have something to prevent it.. However all the ones I've seen seem like they were fully in battery, but had too much pressure.

Edit: looked more closely. The striker can't reach the firing pin unless it's in battery.
 
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tootall said:
Now that he has posted here, I'll confirm that I was referring to dogfoodenforcer.
I did not know how serious his blow-up was. A month off work! Yikes!
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You should have seen my boss's face when I told her I'd need time off to recover.

"What happened?"
"Umm...well...my rifle blew up in my face...BUT I'M ALIVE!!"
"Why do you shoot guns if they can hurt you?"
"Because I enjoy it. Why do you drive your car when there is higher likelihood you get hurt driving than there is me having another rifle explode in my face?"

Luckily my boss is awesome and was just glad I was okay. Don't think anyone in the office will be coming shooting with me anytime soon though!
 
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ShawnC6 said:
Hmm interestingly enough it seems like they don't have something to prevent it.. However all the ones I've seen seem like they were fully in battery, but had too much pressure.
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From dogfood's photos, it looks like his might have been slightly OOB. Look at how much of the case is still sticking out of his chamber:

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