Sterling Arms International R18 Mk3 Part 1 Review - Specifications and Initial Impressions

Bartok5 said:
Who pissed in my Cornfkakes?!? Simple - the handful of children who trolled my Technical Review thread and turned it into a JR Cox hatefest, with some choice words for me just for being the guy's friend and showing SAI's new rifle to CGN. THAT'S who.
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You are actively shilling a product that is being funded with stolen/scammed money from customers and members of The Shooting Edge and you dare say people are acting like children for calling that out?

By all means continue to project that everyone but you are the "abrasive arseholes" and "handful of children" but the facts at hand completely refute your claims.

Being JR Cox's friend is one thing, but being the active voice hyping up his theft/scam funded project brings a large level of guilt with it.

Quite the lovely reputation you are creating for yourself there Napoleon.
 
Bartok5 said:
We are waiting on the Canadian fabricator that messed up the proprietary Bolts to produce properly-toleranced replacements. I have no idea how long it will be. I was told "several weeks" about a week ago.... FWIW.
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All the other BS aside, any idea why the decision to use a proprietary bolt was made? Is there some kind of anticipated benefit to the new design?
 
Bartok5 said:
I just weighed Prototype #9 on my US Postal Meter digital scale, without magazine. The weight that I recorded is 8.1 lb / 3.7 kg. Do with that what you will, however I believe that the weight for the Mk2 recorded in the Spec Chart is incorrect. For some reason, 8.7 lb rings a bell (vice 8.3 lb), but I no longer have a Mk2 to weigh. If I am correct, that would equal the .5 lb (.6 lb actually) difference quoted by JR Cox in the videos. As an aside, the weights for the Mk2 given in my Part 1 Review of that rifle were erroneous (7.9 lb / 3.6 kg) on the light side. Reality is that the Mk2 is heavier than the Mk3, not lighter....

Anyone out there with a Mk 2 care to strip it of accessories and weigh it bare on a decent scale?
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I read the new Crypto is only 6.5 lb

That's a huge difference!
 
Mik123 said:
What do you expect when you align yourself with a person that's rubbed some members of this forum the wrong way?

In either case, i didn't troll you review, my post was a statement of fact. Your reply was childish and false.
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If you'd put up with what I have over the past few days, after the effort that I put into that review, you'd be annoyed and perhaps a tad " childish" yourself.

Notwithstanding that, I apologize for singling you out. You are correct - you have not trolled this thread and therefore did not deserve what I said.to you. The others? They deserve that and more for making the thread a tedious read to wade through all of their bullsh#t.
 
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Bartok5 said:
If you'd put up with what I have over the past few days, after the effort that I put into that review, you'd be annoyed and perhaps a tad " childish" yourself.

Notwithstanding that, I apologize for singling you out. You are correct - you have not trolled this thread and therefore did not deserve what I said.to you. The others? They deserve that and more for making the thread a tedious read to wade through all off their bullsh#t.
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Fair enough. All good.
 
community needs to stop fighting each other. How many of us got burned on pre-orders in the past? and other shady businesses doing shady stuff? Not to mention buying a firearm advertised as great and reliable but turned out to be a POS.
Not defending TSE but owning a business and renting space is tough. Lots of local companies are going belly up lately. The unfortunate thing is this might be the beginning of a few firearm shops disappearing. Go out and support your local gun store.
 
Pedophile hunter said:
Wonder if he's going to fu$$ed over his customers like he did his employees
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SAI never screwed anyone over on an R18 Mk2 during the past 2 years. In fact, most owners would probably state that SAI's customer service was responsive and quick. I highly doubt that SAI intends to start treating their customers poorly just as they launch two new flagship products.....

As for the employees, my understanding is that JR Cox went to great lengths to ensure that his staff were paid final paycheques and severance. So how exactly did he fvck over his employees? Huh? How? C''mon - you're so fvcking smart, tell us how JR Cox screwed his employees? Seriously - I really want to hear your made-up bull####e theories. The TRUTH of the matter, if you care to investigate, is that the vast majority of TSE's former employees have nothing but glowing things to say about their employer. Check your facts, as you are waaay out to lunch with your baseless accusations. Par for the course around this frigging place.

No rating, zip, nada, zilch. Just another idiot with a big yap and a second-hand grudge. Sort yourself the fvck out.....
 
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Armed Hippie said:
May I ask who Bartok is, is he the ballistically speaking guy?
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No, I am not a Youtuber, just a legless, medically-retired combat veteran, now confined to a wheelchair. I have some experience with firearms and maintain a modest collection of military designs. I hardly cut a threatening figure in a chair, however I will not stand for outright lies being told about a guy who already has enough haters for things that he DID do (and publicly apologized for), over a decade ago. YMMV
 
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Bartok5 said:
No, I am not a Youtuber, just a legless, medically-retired combat veteran, now confined to a wheelchair. I have some experience with firearms and maintain a modest collection of military designs. I hardly cut a threatening figure in a chair, however I will not stand for outright lies being told about a guy who already has enough haters for things that he DID do (and publicly apologized for), over a decade ago.
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Okay, that’s fair. No hard feelings against you. That said people are entitled to be upset with him at the current moment.
 
So we have a gentleman, who happened to have some questionable history in the industry. Who just happened to suddenly close a long time running business which is no longer financially viable and just totally ruined. But who is involved with a company in UK, which happens to be somehow interested in making rifles for Canada, but legally is in UK, but it does not make rifles neither in UK nor Canada, but comes up with 2 new models, which apparently are made mostly in Turkey, which somehow was a small detail said gentleman was not so eager to advertise. And these new rifles of said UK company, mostly produced in Turkey, are assembled and QC in Canada, and are presented as a leap in quality and are new improved design, extending an existing FRT of MK2 but totally not MK2 ... but the only known instance of this new rifle available for a review happens to be available for our friend Bartok, but it has bolt out spec and cannot be fired. But the rifle should be available for sale in a couple of months....

Right... what can possibly go wrong in this most elegant arrangement?

Speaking of which, how come the receiver markings say "Sterling Arms International, London, UK", but website has no UK address at all, and UK company search returns no such company?

https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/

maybe I'm typing it wrong, could someone please help me with that?
 
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owlowl said:
So we have a gentleman, who happened to have some questionable history in the industry. Who just happened to suddenly close a long time running business which is no longer financially viable and just totally ruined. But who is involved with a company in UK, which happens to be somehow interested in making rifles for Canada, but legally is in a UK, but it does not make rifles neither in UK nor Canada, but comes up with 2 new models, which apparently are made mostly in Turkey, which somehow was a small detail said gentleman was not so eager to advertise. And these new rifles of said UK company, mostly produced in Turkey, are assembled and QC in Canada, and are presented as a leap in quality and are new improved design, extending an existing FRT of MK2 but totally not MK2 ... but the only known instance of this new rifle available for a review happens to be available for our friend Bartok, but it has bolt out spec and cannot be fired. But the rifle should be available for sale in a couple of months....

Right... what can possibly go wrong in this most elegant arrangement?

Speaking of which, how come the receiver markings say "Sterling Arms International, London, UK", but website has no UK address at all, and UK company search returns no such company?

https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/

maybe I'm trying it wrong, could someone please help me with that?
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Was gunna go to bed, might have to make some popcorn instead... Bartok is gunna be sooo mad at you for questioning St JR. Didn't you know he apologized?

Anyways, yeah that struck me as odd, since their website lists a Calgary address, I can''t find a single thing linking them to the UK with the Google machine, 32,000 results on the UK Gov website... might take a minute to sift through. Thought I found it for a minute, turned out to be a pub. Could they be churning these things out?
 
This is getting a little bit tiring and repetitive. I understand both sides and all has been said what needs to be said. Just wait for the rifle to be available and the test run.
 
owlowl said:
So we have a gentleman, who happened to have some questionable history in the industry. Who just happened to suddenly close a long time running business which is no longer financially viable and just totally ruined. But who is involved with a company in UK, which happens to be somehow interested in making rifles for Canada, but legally is in UK, but it does not make rifles neither in UK nor Canada, but comes up with 2 new models, which apparently are made mostly in Turkey, which somehow was a small detail said gentleman was not so eager to advertise. And these new rifles of said UK company, mostly produced in Turkey, are assembled and QC in Canada, and are presented as a leap in quality and are new improved design, extending an existing FRT of MK2 but totally not MK2 ... but the only known instance of this new rifle available for a review happens to be available for our friend Bartok, but it has bolt out spec and cannot be fired. But the rifle should be available for sale in a couple of months....

Right... what can possibly go wrong in this most elegant arrangement?

Speaking of which, how come the receiver markings say "Sterling Arms International, London, UK", but website has no UK address at all, and UK company search returns no such company?

https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/

maybe I'm typing it wrong, could someone please help me with that?
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I had this same train of thought the other day,

However I’m hoping there’s more testers than Bartok.

I think it’d be nice to have multiple opinions on the rifle. Give one to that channel that burned the Siberian through a stress test of constant fire.

As for the inconsistencies for address, location, etc, I couldn’t find a reasonable explanation other than maybe licensing being extended to a Canadian Sub division of the Sterling Company? Freedom of brand use and maybe certain resources, allowing a dive into Canadian market share.
 
Armed Hippie said:
Okay, that’s fair. No hard feelings against you. That said people are entitled to be upset with him at the current moment.
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I don't dispute what happened 11 years ago, and I have a SIG 550 collecting dust as a partial result of JR Cox's poor decision to try to make life difficult for a former business partner turned competitor. That said, he did publicly apologize and by all accounts was a strong supporter of the local and national firearms communities for as long as he was in business, no doubt at least in part to make amends.

Are some people out partial memberships and gift cardsas a result of TSE closing its doors? Yup, and that is truly a shame. They have every right to be upset, but I fail to see the connection to JR Cox's actions over a decade ago, nor do I understand some people's insistence on dredging up the past. Could something have been done to satisfy those customers who are out several hundred dollars for unused membership months? I don't know, I wasn't there. The choice of whether to issue final paycheques and severance pay to his employees, or take care of customers with refunds must have been a tough one. One thing is clear - there simply wasn't enough money to cover everything and everyone, otherwise he would have! Hence the bankruptcy declaration and immediate business closure - TSE was hemorraging money that the owner/operator could no longer cover. He did the best that he could with what he had until he exhausted his resources. Somebody always loses in a bankruptcy, and it is frequently the staff in terms of final cheques and severance. in this case a conscious decision was made to look after the staff first. Did that happen at the expense of certain customers? Yes, apparently it did.

There was only one person that I'm aware of who was perfect, and they hung him on a cross. People screw up, other people suffer as a result. That's life. JR Cox is not the first fireams business to go bankrupt with gift cards and store credits owing. Unfortunately, those things are the first tto be swallowed up by the bankruptcy proceedings. That's how it typically goes, with the lawyers as the only winners.

The people chucking crap at Cox really need to look in the mirror, cause chances are they're not perfect either....
 
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SmackSB4 said:
Was gunna go to bed, might have to make some popcorn instead... Bartok is gunna be sooo mad at you for questioning St JR. Didn't you know he apologized?

Anyways, yeah that struck me as odd, since their website lists a Calgary address, I can''t find a single thing linking them to the UK with the Google machine, 32,000 results on the UK Gov website... might take a minute to sift through. Thought I found it for a minute, turned out to be a pub. Could they be churning these things out?
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Nice continued attempt at creating skullduggery and sowing doubt about JR Cox, SAI and the R18 Mk3. Man, you guys need to find something more productive to do with your time than play Sherlock Holmes. I am not privy to JR Cox's business arrrangements, however I suspect that the Sterling family might have something to say about him using their family and business name without permission. Instead of making wild assumptions and leaps of logic leading to false assertions, why don't you just man-up and ask JR Cox himself how he is associated with SAI? It's not that difficult to reach him - his TSE email account is still active.

Were I Cox, I'd be consulting with my lawyers about a civil claim for defamation of character based on Libel (eg. written CGN comments). Make an example of one (or more) of you. But I'm petty that way, with plenty of time on my hands.....
 
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Bartok5 said:
Were I Cox, I'd be consulting with my lawyers about a civil claim for defamation of character based on Libel (eg. written CGN comments). Make an example of one (or more) of you. But I'm petty that way, with plenty of time on my hands.....
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You shouldn't be surprised if people keep on posting since you just brought it to a new low.
 
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