Sticky for Ruger PCC
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Sparc ii
https://alflahertys.com/vortex-sparc-ar-2-red-dot-with-multi-height-mount-2-moa-spc-402/
199.99 at al flahretys right now.
As much as dot sights are fun and easy to use, I don't understand how they could be applied at 200 yards for target shooting. Unless of course the target is a large gong. I once dropped a squirrel at 35 yards with a Burris Fastfire III mounted on an air rifle, but considered it a very lucky shot, as the 3MOA dot obscured 1/2 of the squirrel. I basically made his upper half disappear as he was standing on his hind legs and took the shot, made a nice hit on the heart and dropped him right there. Wouldn't try that again. Switched to a 4x scope on that airgun soon after.
The 2MOA dot on that Sparc II would make for some interesting estimated holdover at 200 yards with 9mm, considering the drop of between 3 and 4 feet depending on the particular ammunition selected. And dialing the vertical on a dot sight for different ranges isn't very practical if you change distances a lot. At 50 yards though, I guess 2MOA would work well enough, if the shooter isn't too worried about group size.
Vortex seems very fond of the word 'Venom' for their optics. An image search turns up a compact reflex sight, but of course also the 5-25x FFP rifle scope - one I like very, very much, and have mounted on my Sig Cross. That would be a bit too much scope for a PCC, so I'm guessing you mean the reflex/dot sight.
Vortex quality seems decent. If you want a tiny, lightweight dot sight, that one seems as good a choice as any of a number of good ones available. I have a Holosun 403 gold dot sight mounted on my GSG-16 plinker and like it plenty, excellent out to 50 yards in any sort of lighting and background I've tried, where a red dot can get a bit lost in some kinds of foliage - and my son is red/green colourblind, so I got the gold dot for that one to help him out when we go shooting.
That can be quite a problem with carbines. Just handled a Rossi .357 lever the other day, and with the extremely low profile Bushnell reflex dot mounted (very similar to a Burris Fastfire) I could only see the dot with the side of my chin just barely touching the stock. Think I'd either have to build up a taller comb or just use the native peep sight, the latter unlikely with my 6 decade old eyes. Otherwise that was a very handy, light little carbine, quite likeable. But without a stock modification not even the lowest scope mounts would work properly. Handling a friend's Ruger PCC a couple of years ago felt similar, though heavier. He's since upgraded to the Backpacker stock which helps a bit.
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I put all the exterior pads into the but end and it seems a bit better. I think my sight should be in tomorrow so I am looking forward to getting it mounted and out to try it all and get zeroed in.
The way I have seen everyone else run it is with a RDS and magnifier, but that still has the same problem you mentioned. Personally I have a Vortex Crossfire II 1-4x24, kinda wish I got something up to 6 or 8 cause the 4 is a little too short.
I'm sure this exists and I've just not seen it... but a LPVO with the option of switching on an illuminated dot would make a lot of sense for shooting between close range and a few hundred yards. Just switch off the dot at anything over 1x or maybe 2x for more precise aim at longer range.
Vortex put it on the Crossfire II I have...
I am sure it is on others in their line too as long as the name says V-BRITE.
https://i.imgur.com/QZpejUc.png
I run the Magpul CTR stock on mine with the magpul cheek riser and a Holosun 510c (2 moa dot). Absolutely love this setup as i get a proper cheek-weld and not a CHIN-weld. I have used my EOtech magnifier on it before but man it just gets too dang heavy. Fun gun nonetheless and the 68moa circle on the Holosun is similar to the Eotech 65moa and with a bit of practice its easy to range from 25 to around 100 yards, but definitely not 200.
Well I put my red dot sight on it and it raised the sight line just enough that I can aim pretty nicely. Went out to the range and got it zeroed in. Shooting from a rest I was able to hit 4" steel plates at 100 yards 8 out of 10 times so I would call that pretty reliable shooting.
Just some feedback from me on mine...your experience may differ...
1. The takedown of the carbine is great. Easier to put it in a smaller range bag.
2. In my view, the replacement of the shock buffer and the clip with mcarbo parts is an absolute must. The plasticky nature of the default OEM parts is not great and gets bent easily or even broken
3. I wish this thing didn't require tools to take apart. I read about the torque inch pounds being 60 or 65 which is insane for the two bolts/screws. I ended up stripping them even with my FAT wrench
4. Others seem to have no issues with the Glock magwell and Glock mags, but I have had issues with the last round bolt hold open not working consistently with Glock OEM mags and the Glock magwell. PMAGs and ProMag Glock mags seem to perform only slightly better. The Ruger magwell and the SR9/S9 magazine was 100% reliable with the last round bolt hold open. Unfortunately due to the amount of Glock magazines I already have, I kept the Glock magwell and sold the Ruger magwell and the S9/SR9 mag.
5. Even though I have the MLOK aluminum handguard version with the multi-point extendible stock, I have handled the standard stock one. The aluminum handguard one is definitely front heavy, from my experience.
6. Accuracy out of the box is quite decent. I mated the carbine with a Holosun 503C and it works great and keeps zero well, even after multiple takedowns and reassembly.
7. It has been very reliable feeding various brands and weights of 9mm ammunition through mine
1. The takedown of the carbine is great. Easier to put it in a smaller range bag.
2. In my view, the replacement of the shock buffer and the clip with mcarbo parts is an absolute must. The plasticky nature of the default OEM parts is not great and gets bent easily or even broken
3. I wish this thing didn't require tools to take apart. I read about the torque inch pounds being 60 or 65 which is insane for the two bolts/screws. I ended up stripping them even with my FAT wrench
4. Others seem to have no issues with the Glock magwell and Glock mags, but I have had issues with the last round bolt hold open not working consistently with Glock OEM mags and the Glock magwell. PMAGs and ProMag Glock mags seem to perform only slightly better. The Ruger magwell and the SR9/S9 magazine was 100% reliable with the last round bolt hold open. Unfortunately due to the amount of Glock magazines I already have, I kept the Glock magwell and sold the Ruger magwell and the S9/SR9 mag.
5. Even though I have the MLOK aluminum handguard version with the multi-point extendible stock, I have handled the standard stock one. The aluminum handguard one is definitely front heavy, from my experience.
6. Accuracy out of the box is quite decent. I mated the carbine with a Holosun 503C and it works great and keeps zero well, even after multiple takedowns and reassembly.
7. It has been very reliable feeding various brands and weights of 9mm ammunition through mine
I just got my backpacker stock. (still in the box)
ill likely be running a Vortex Crossfire II on it
the backpacker comes with a standard stock and a riser cheek weld. Im assuming that if im running a red dot that the riser works better?
as for Mcarbo parts.... If i had $100 to spend what would I spend it on? Charging handle. what else?
ill likely be running a Vortex Crossfire II on it
the backpacker comes with a standard stock and a riser cheek weld. Im assuming that if im running a red dot that the riser works better?
as for Mcarbo parts.... If i had $100 to spend what would I spend it on? Charging handle. what else?
As previously posted I have the 6 position model running a 403r rd. Installed the MCARBO charging handle, buffer, and extended extractor-from what what I’ve read all 3 are cost effective replacement. Prefer the charging handle on the left side. Shot the gun for the 1st time yesterday 25,30yds. Can’t wait to give 100yds a go. So far love this gun.
Nibe at 200 yards you are not going to have a tack driver in your hands. The 9MM bullet has the aeros of a brick. That said, your rounds may not be touching but from a rest a 12" plate should ring loud and clear. While I don't have my Ruger anymore, I do have another carbine where I run the charging handles on both sides. I seldom use the right-side handle, but it is there, and you can't use it if it is not there. BTW my Ruger always locked back after the last round using Glock mags. Mine was the basic model with no aftermarket parts. The latter are nice but I don't think they really are necessary.
Take Care
Bob
Take Care
Bob
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