support for eddie Maurice's self defense case Please read...

Liberty.357 said:
Seriously though, look at all the evidence, does some stupid hang fire theory really need to come into play??
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Seriously though, I looked at the evidence and I buy the hang fire story 100%. Stanley didn't even know that Boushie was armed when Boushie was shot. That's why the self defense argument wasn't used. Had Stanley knew that Boushie had a loaded rifle in his lap at the time, the self defense argument would have been justified. They went with the hang fire defense because it just happened to be the truth...
 
Autolite said:
Seriously though, I looked at the evidence and I buy the hang fire story 100%. Stanley didn't even know that Boushie was armed when Boushie was shot. That's why the self defense argument wasn't used. Had Stanley knew that Boushie had a loaded rifle in his lap at the time, the self defense argument would have been justified. They went with the hang fire defense because it just happened to be the truth...
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At best that takes the level of guilt from 2nd degree murder to manslaughter. Since a firearm was involved, a minimum 4 years sentence is mandatory. A more common sentence is such a case is ~9 years, with possible parole after 1/3 sentence.

If he's really gonna go through with the hangfire defense, he should definitely plead guilty. In a courtroom, there's no way to get away with killing someone by criminal negligence and not get a manslaughter conviction, but murder 2 would still be on the table. Plead guilty and you automatically take murder 2 off the table, and most likely the sentence for manslaughter would be less than after a conviction.
 
The charges are just aggravated assault, pointing a firearm and careless use of a firearm (was mistaken with the stanley boushie case). He pretty much admitted to pointing a firearm (duh!) and careless use of a firearm (re-duh!) which are no-jail time sentences for 1st-time offenders.

The crown is pretty much letting him off the hook already. His lawyer is taking advantage of him, billing him un-needed hours. He's already gonna have a criminal case for the small stuff, and obviously a firearm prohibition order, so pleading guilty to a reduced sentence for the aggravated assault, possibly to a reduced accusation of assault, he could get a slap on the wrist of a sentence.

Me says his lawyer likes to bill.
 
VinnyQC said:
At best that takes the level of guilt from 2nd degree murder to manslaughter. Since a firearm was involved, a minimum 4 years sentence is mandatory. A more common sentence is such a case is ~9 years, with possible parole after 1/3 sentence.

If he's really gonna go through with the hangfire defense, he should definitely plead guilty. In a courtroom, there's no way to get away with killing someone by criminal negligence and not get a manslaughter conviction, but murder 2 would still be on the table. Plead guilty and you automatically take murder 2 off the table, and most likely the sentence for manslaughter would be less than after a conviction.
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The hang fire defense beat the murder charge. The firearms charges are going to be harder to beat. Of course the 'safest' thing that Stanley could have done (under Canadian law) would have just been to pull his pants down and bend over for Boushie and his cohorts . Evidently that's what the government would like us all to do...
 
Autolite said:
Seriously though, I looked at the evidence and I buy the hang fire story 100%.# Stanley didn't even know that Boushie was armed when Boushie was shot. That's why the self defense argument wasn't used.# Had Stanley knew that Boushie had a loaded rifle in his lap at the time, the self defense argument would have been justified.# They went with the hang fire defense because it just happened to be the truth...
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That's fine if that's what you think. I'm happy with the outcome and do not fault Stanley for doing what he had to do. The hang fire story needed to be including due to those on the jury who do not believe in self defence, as well as Canada's lack of laws protecting innocent people. As I stated before, he needed it because of that, but I would have much rather he won without it. That's Canada.... I'm glad he's safe, I hope his legal fees are paid for and then some. I am glad to help.

Eddie's case is much more important because it doesn't include any stories about a hang fire. That's why he needs more money to mount an even better defense. Hopefully Albertan juror's will stand up for what's right..

Donate to Eddie:
https://fundrazr.com/b1KjM0?ref=ab_5...mct5OhxPkLAmct
 
Liberty.357 said:
That's fine if that's what you think. I'm happy with the outcome and do not fault Stanley for doing what he had to do. The hang fire story needed to be including due to those on the jury who do not believe in self defence, as well as Canada's lack of laws protecting innocent people. As I stated before, he needed it because of that, but I would have much rather he won without it. That's Canada.... I'm glad he's safe, I hope his legal fees are paid for and then some. I am glad to help.

Eddie's case is much more important because it doesn't include any stories about a hang fire. That's why he needs more money to mount an even better defense. Hopefully Albertan juror's will stand up for what's right..

Donate to Eddie:
https://fundrazr.com/b1KjM0?ref=ab_5...mct5OhxPkLAmct
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$40,535 donated so far. I donated a few weeks ago. I'm disappointed in the amount raised so far.
 
Not to derail the thread but with reference to Gerald Stanley, I really hope he's writing a book. The truth about Boushie and his POS cohorts needs to be told. Canada needs to hear the truth because the CBC, CTV, etc. are doing a stellar job of covering it up.
 
Shackleton said:
Really? Wow. That's silly. I looked into it a little a couple months ago but not too much. Can you link me some real info so I stop making myself look like an idiot? I mean I stand by my other points but if there were more than one and they DID have a firearm I guess it's different.
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Check out Battlefords Now newspaper twitter feed coverage on the Stanley trial. It has the most detailed reporting of the trial I've found.
 
stratosonic said:
$40,535 donated so far. I donated a few weeks ago. I'm disappointed in the amount raised so far.
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I'm disappointed as well. I thought that it would be ten times that amount raised! There are two million gun owners in Canada. It disgusts me that this is the best that we can do. I really don't know what the problem is...
 
stratosonic said:
Not to derail the thread but with reference to Gerald Stanley,
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It's not a derail. This thread is about the out of control rural crime and the government's complicity. These FundRazr campaigns are now our only way of fighting back.

stratosonic said:
I really hope he's writing a book. The truth about Boushie and his POS cohorts needs to be told. Canada needs to hear the truth because the CBC, CTV, etc. are doing a stellar job of covering it up.
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What would be the point? The truth has always been out there. The degenerates and the Leftists just simply choose to willfully ignore it if it does not suit their agenda...
 
Autolite said:
I'm disappointed as well. I thought that it would be ten times that amount raised! There are two million gun owners in Canada. It disgusts me that this is the best that we can do. I really don't know what the problem is...
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I donated but maybe it's low because people already gave to the Stanley family go fund me page in the shooting of Colten Boushie in Saskatchewan.
Seems these are becoming more common.
 
Shackleton said:
You're all going to hate me. I'm in Justice Studies at my college and none of our teachers, all retired police officers think that the Stanley case was self defense. The kid was shot in the back of the head and the man who shot him was not following safe practice. I believe it was an old colt 1911 which probably could have malfunctioned, but still.. You executed this unarmed kid. I wish we could have "stand your ground" laws but we do not. My teacher also said that this was against the law because the handgun should have been locked away due to it being restricted. I know.. I know.. You or me, right? Kid was unarmed. How are you supposed to know in the dark? Well.. We can go on and on but the bottom line is I think a lot of us want to justify this so that the negatives don't effect us as gun owners. Also a lot of you guys talk like you're from the US, you talk like we have so much violent crime that it's just okay to Wild-West someone like that. Honestly.. I have a pack mentality and I'm not saying I wouldn't kill for my family or even that I wouldn't kill at all (Getting my diplomas and then joining the CAF for a bit) it's just that if I came up behind my enemy as a Canadian citizen I would at least say something before shooting them in the back of the head. By the way, would you not have a light source to check for the intruders? We could go on and on. In the end all you want is your kids safe so you would rather justify the shooting I think.

Alright, now everyone tear me apart lol.

Edit: Maybe he was armed maybe he wasn't, when they were talking about it in class he had his back turned, sitting on a 4 wheeler that he wanted to steal, and was shot. Either way.
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Familiarize yourself with at least the rudimentary facts before you comment.

Alternately buy a flame suit.

Then again, your purpose might be to enflame this thread.
 
Sinbad said:
I donated but maybe it's low because people already gave to the Stanley family go fund me page in the shooting of Colten Boushie in Saskatchewan.
Seems these are becoming more common.
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Also, that's just the Fundrazr campaign. I think people are also donating via emt and bank account deposits.

Either way, I agree that it should definitely be higher.
 
NVShooter said:
In addition, what about all the folks who are not gun owners who are just sick and tired of the crime and the backward way in which the courts deal with the perpetrators of it. Rhetorical obviously...
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Maybe it's only a comparatively small minority of us who are dealing with it. As for rural crime, the criminals seem to be targeting the same people repeatedly. I myself have been hit twice. It's rampantly out of control but it could be that's it's just the same people getting robbed over and over and over.

Human nature being what it is, if you've never been targeted yourself then why care???
 
stratosonic said:
$40,535 donated so far. I donated a few weeks ago. I'm disappointed in the amount raised so far.
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Still a gift horse.

Imho, this campaign didn't get the traction it could have, for two reasons:


1.Since it was white-on-white crime, the "closet racist" progressive left, had no interest in the case; provoking no reaction from the slumbering right. (Hint: the next time you shoot an intruder on your property, before you call the cops, give him a quick once-over with a can of brown Tremclad...


2.Eddie has no 'street cred' (well, until now :/). If along with this initial fundrazr, there was a picture of his lifetime member NRA card, or of his receipts showing his years of donations to the CSSA and NFA, or of his wife's 'CGN beaver' lower-back tattoo; then I bet many more people would have been willing to "give back." (IMo, similar to the Stanley fundraiser, "a friend in need" eh? Where were these guys, BEFORE they needed help?)



Personally, I've decided to be much more discriminatory when it comes to helping anyone. Coon's days of being a 'blank-cheque helper donkey', are done. (I still donated several hundy to each campaign, but even these lads barely made the cut.)
 
Sinbad said:
I donated but maybe it's low because people already gave to the Stanley family go fund me page in the shooting of Colten Boushie in Saskatchewan.
Seems these are becoming more common.
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This crowd funding thing isn't just about helping Stanley or Maurice, it's for all of us. We have a pro-criminal, criminal government (that was elected into power by criminals) whose focus and priority is the re-victimization of crime victims. We have a dysfunctional 'justice' system with ineffective police.

When/if these self evident facts eventually sink in with all of those who are still in denial, I think that we'll see campaigns like this FundRazr really begin to skyrocket with contributions. It's now our only protection...
 
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