I don't know. But it seems the ironclad guarantee has limitations that we should all remember in future.
T2 Garand - Part 1
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I don't know. But it seems the ironclad guarantee has limitations that we should all remember in future.
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The "Iron Clad Guarantee" is clad in the iron shaved off of the Garand bolts! Each of these guns made a small sacrifice for us as consumers to have such a service!
I think everyone should really take a step back from the keyboard and think through some of the comments they are making.
I too would like to hear from the retailer on this/these issues, but can't blame anyone not wanting to wade through the vitriol and potential hyperbole. It would be grand (Garand?) if we stayed on <this particular> topic, and maybe kept posters to those that bought the rifles and those with SME knowledge on the subject of Garands in general.
Some purchasers are out a fair amount of money, and if not money considering a return and refund, considerable time.
Rifling through post after post of 'glad I passed on these', 'I knew it was too good to be true' and 'let's have Johnone's head on a platter' is really quite counter productive.
Oh, and IBTL
Amen.
Operational and safe are two completely different things. It may work for a couple rounds, or a couple million rounds, but it is not smart nor safe to shoot with the bolts compromised, and the barrels hand tight.
On top of the fact they are clearly not the guns they were advertised I would be beyond pissed if I had purchased one. Don't take no for an answer.
Unless they make this very right to all involved I will not spend another penny there, period.
I'm sorry, what?
I already posted the photos of the rifle I received. Where are yours?
What's that? you don't have photos because you didn't even order one?
(In my best Sienfield) We alllllll get it.
You are steaming mad about an issue you have no direct link to, and we all now have to read your sanctimonious b/s posts full of hot air where you drone on saying the same bloody thing calling for Johnone's head. Enough with the drama already.
Just a friendly reminder....he says "full refund" in this thread, not "full refund less shipping".
Man of his word that John-none.
Oh and post 115 of the sniper SVT fiasco.
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/foru...8-Svt-rifles?p=9281350&viewfull=1#post9281350
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If this thread gets pulled due to people slagging each other off, everyone looses. Lets keep this going with some input from others who have received the 'goods' and lets hear what they have to say..Still a lot of owners out there who haven't commented.....Anyone else..??????
I second that comment as that means one lug is hardened and the other lug that has been welded is now soft. That will place all or most if the strain on the one lug. Again a dangerous situation that can result in a complete bolt failure.
That raises another question, why would anyone make one lug be bearing and let the other one stay original. Unless the receiver was milled unsquare. I highly doubt that.
Some layout fluid and a quick cycling of the action could show the amount of bearing surface on each lug.
Wish I had one of these rifles here as I'd love to drop a headspace gauge in one and check the mating surfaces on the lugs.
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One lug welded was probably to try and square up the bolt with the chamber of the barrel. One member described how visibly off center the bore and chamber were in his rifle, the one with a 40thou gap between barrel and receiver and the gauge stuck in there.
It's likely the unknown make of barrels that are the main issue, Italian M1 parts are all high quality and built to the latest drawing specs. It's unfortunate the way they went about "fixing" these....or ruining these I guess would be more accurate.
I watched the Marstar shooting vid again, that M1 ejects like an SKS... I've never seen one eject that violently....
It's likely the unknown make of barrels that are the main issue, Italian M1 parts are all high quality and built to the latest drawing specs. It's unfortunate the way they went about "fixing" these....or ruining these I guess would be more accurate.
I watched the Marstar shooting vid again, that M1 ejects like an SKS... I've never seen one eject that violently....
You are so right.
Sorry I keep referring back to a normal chamber that would be more or less concentric with the threads.
This kind of thing with welding bolts and using a barrel that may have an off center chamber is way out in left field for me.
First thing I noticed when I watched the video was the edjection pattern. It seemed more mini 14 then m1 to me. I felt like the rifle was over gassed just from the video.
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Again, the 5 bona-fide Italian Tipo 2 barrels that I've installed were all of excellent quality with no issues about proper fit, headspace or accuracy.It would be highly unusual for a Beretta or Breda receiver to be off spec. I've owned a few dozen of them, and have used them as the basis for many builds. They were built to a very high quality line.
I almost traded my 1954 Breda for a USGI 1911 at one time....met the fellow at the range, we tried out each others guns and it was almost a done deal, I just wanted to put one more enbloc through it....
Well the 8 rounds were all in the 2" bull at 100m touching in a horizontal string that looked like a smile. Deal was off and I still have it...and it still shoots like that today.
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