We did check it, should have mentioned that. We removed the gas block/piston to make sure the alignment was good and not partially covering. Recoil spring setup looked fine, no unusual binding etc. All looked good in that regard.
T97 3rd Gen or WS-MCR/WK 180
- Thread starter randyhub
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Part of what is nice about the upcoming Jard J180 is it is supposed to come with a nice trigger out of the box (Jard is known for their triggers), and having direct impingement from a gas tube instead of a piston eliminates one potential point if failure. Of course, their may be other issues introduced by impinging the 180 recoil recovery system.
If the Jard J180 proves to run reliably, would it be kosher for other companies to modify existing piston 180 designs to use DI to supplement their piston 180s, or create new DI 180 firearms if they have none in their arsenal as of yet, or would that be considered bad form, and/or infringe on a patent?
If the Jard J180 proves to run reliably, would it be kosher for other companies to modify existing piston 180 designs to use DI to supplement their piston 180s, or create new DI 180 firearms if they have none in their arsenal as of yet, or would that be considered bad form, and/or infringe on a patent?
Well all I know is that complainers are the loudest people and that people are a lot more likely to go to a forum to complain than they are to say everything is working as expected. In addition many of those who comment over and over again about how something is "junk" have rediculous expectations and/or are basing their opinions on the rifle they used 4 years ago not the one currently being made. Over 15,000 WK180Cs and I don't know how many WS-MCRs have sold. There have been issues but those are for all intents and purposes fixed e.g. gen 3 cocking handle for WK or can be fixed due to good customer support.
At my own personal club and at matches I have seen the numbers increasing significantly. Our local gun shops can not keep them in stock.
So I don't feel it is innaccurate to say that the vast majority of people have had no issues, and that those who have had issues have been ale to have them resolved.
Not sure about the MCR, but people have definitely built restricted length WKs. One person purchased a WK direct from Kodiak and sent them a short barrel with the correct carbine length gas port location. They installed the barrel, registered the rifle after seeing his RPAL, and sent him his rifle after the registration cleared.
The one thing I have noticed is that occasionally when dropping the bolt that the bolt will hang up before closing into battery. It is always because I have mistakenly placed upward pressure on the mag from resting the rifle on the mag. This drag of the bolt assembly on the mag lips seems to be easily remedied by ensuring I do not rest the rifle on the mag. I suspect the problems your friend is encountering could be related to this.
Cheers
Moe
Actually no, rifle was never fired on mag but I see the potential of what you're describing here.
This was just from a standing position for function test. We never got to zero with the issues.
I'm guessing the weak looking ejection is probably ejector spring. As for the more than normal upward mag pressure (compared to an AR) I'm going to suggest he tough it out and break it in. The bolt design of this rifle appears to have way more receiver contact than an AR does so maybe it just needs to run a bunch of rounds and break in a bit.
Having said that from what I've seen so far, there's no way this particular rifle is going to run with Pmags unless there's a mag modification I'm not aware of.
This was just from a standing position for function test. We never got to zero with the issues.
I'm guessing the weak looking ejection is probably ejector spring. As for the more than normal upward mag pressure (compared to an AR) I'm going to suggest he tough it out and break it in. The bolt design of this rifle appears to have way more receiver contact than an AR does so maybe it just needs to run a bunch of rounds and break in a bit.
Having said that from what I've seen so far, there's no way this particular rifle is going to run with Pmags unless there's a mag modification I'm not aware of.
I wonder if the SN on the WK goes up in sequential order like with the MCR's. Seeing a new model would give an idea how many have been produced.
Anthony Nardelli
Regular
- Location
- Newmarket, Ontario
On a personal note, my WS-MCR has been running quite reliably. There were two double-feed incidents, however, due to improper seating of the magazine and ascribe that to user error. I've been using metal LAR-15 magazines to date. One thing of note is the trigger on my unit. It has a small amount of play before firing and has resistance in the take up. It almost acts like a two stage trigger, which I like in an odd way. It always breaks cleanly and reliably so I always know when it will fire.
well....I have to look at this a little differently now... I see TRUE NORTH has a whole Wack of up grades for sale now for the 180c.
this makes a huge difference ...Now you have a ton of accessories & upgrades and spare parts available.
If you break your T97 you might be be in trouble.
so far my 180c has been working ok....but I havent got more than 100 rounds through it. Least now....if something breaks..I can upgrade to a stronger part.
I took my WK180 off to the range today for the first shoot
Initially I started with a brass collector attached to the rifle and this caused a double feed, then an extraction stoppage
I removed the brass catcher and after that the rifle ran like a top
I was shooting at 50yds as that's the length of the range, and I'm really not a trick shot by any means
My rifle was fitted with a set of after market flip up iron sights which I was quite pleased with
The rifle's trigger was a little heavier than what I'm used too, however it was still easy to work, and the reset on the trigger is quite positive / tactile
While firing I was using a C clamp grip with my forward support hand, and it's a different feeling from an AR, as you've got the piston moving under your hand vs a buffer assembly at the rifle's rear
Midway through the shoot, I opened up the rifle which was quite easy and gave the the bolt, guide rods, and the interior of the upper receiver a good coating of lube
I continued shooting the rifle sitting, kneeling, standing, prone, and even tried doing some basic shooting while advancing on the target and moving backwards
For closing I loaded up two mags for the rifle, did some shooting and moving with it, then transitioned to my pistol within 10 yards and fired off 3 pistol mags from there
Aside form the initial problems with the brass catcher, the rifle worked well without it and there were no more issues
In total I fired 120 rounds through the rifle and like it so far
My shooting skills do need work, really got to get out and train more
Just remembered I set my cocking handle up on the left side
I cleaned the threaded part of the cocking handle and also the hole in the bolt carrier that the cocking handle threads into
Blue Loc Tite was then used on the cocking handle when I put it on the rifle, nothing came loose while firing and having it on the left side was convenient
My sling was a basic 2 point Magpul sling, para cord to attach it to the rear collapsible stock, and a pushbutton mount to attach it to the front hanguard
Initially I started with a brass collector attached to the rifle and this caused a double feed, then an extraction stoppage
I removed the brass catcher and after that the rifle ran like a top
I was shooting at 50yds as that's the length of the range, and I'm really not a trick shot by any means
My rifle was fitted with a set of after market flip up iron sights which I was quite pleased with
The rifle's trigger was a little heavier than what I'm used too, however it was still easy to work, and the reset on the trigger is quite positive / tactile
While firing I was using a C clamp grip with my forward support hand, and it's a different feeling from an AR, as you've got the piston moving under your hand vs a buffer assembly at the rifle's rear
Midway through the shoot, I opened up the rifle which was quite easy and gave the the bolt, guide rods, and the interior of the upper receiver a good coating of lube
I continued shooting the rifle sitting, kneeling, standing, prone, and even tried doing some basic shooting while advancing on the target and moving backwards
For closing I loaded up two mags for the rifle, did some shooting and moving with it, then transitioned to my pistol within 10 yards and fired off 3 pistol mags from there
Aside form the initial problems with the brass catcher, the rifle worked well without it and there were no more issues
In total I fired 120 rounds through the rifle and like it so far
My shooting skills do need work, really got to get out and train more
Just remembered I set my cocking handle up on the left side
I cleaned the threaded part of the cocking handle and also the hole in the bolt carrier that the cocking handle threads into
Blue Loc Tite was then used on the cocking handle when I put it on the rifle, nothing came loose while firing and having it on the left side was convenient
My sling was a basic 2 point Magpul sling, para cord to attach it to the rear collapsible stock, and a pushbutton mount to attach it to the front hanguard
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RobbieLaidlaw
CGN Regular
- Location
- Saskatchewan
Having owned both rifles, I prefer the T97.
However, the WK180 is far more accurate, or at least, easier to be accurate with, if you get a new trigger.
However, the WK180 is far more accurate, or at least, easier to be accurate with, if you get a new trigger.
The MCR scratches an itch. With an upgraded trigger and LAR mags (except the 10rd bodies) the thing bangs. I’ve constantly had fail to feed with a fully loaded 10/10 LAR. The 10/20 and 10/30 don’t have that issue. Other than that I haven’t had any problems, mind you I’m only at about 500rds.
Spectre Ltd, who makes the MCR came out with a new lower which looks nicer and allows beaver tail grips. Shipping starts the end of this month. Which is great, because I’m looking forward to using a k2+ grip again.
Spectre Ltd, who makes the MCR came out with a new lower which looks nicer and allows beaver tail grips. Shipping starts the end of this month. Which is great, because I’m looking forward to using a k2+ grip again.
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