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And that's the closest thing to real information we're going to see until at least Monday folks.....'cause I'm pretty sure the boys ain't working the weekend.
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Admitting that you were wrong isn't enough Farmer Harv. You "bet". You owe me some money. I want it now.
Seriously. Your original response to my post indicated that I had no stake in the proceedings. I do. Maybe more than you. I posted that screen cap to demonstrate my involvement. What do you got? What I pointed out in that post is that here we have 50 odd pages, and rising, of mostly speculation.
With *almost no* concrete information.
You say I can't see? Let me tell you what I see: I see a lot of posters speculating on a subject that is not supported by an official statement, news release, or outside source. Just a post on an internet forum.
CanAm has said that he has no further information to offer. Now, this is an industry insider. With a vested interest in selling these guns and maintaining his business and reputation.
I have confidence that he will keep us up to date inasmuch as possible. But bear in mind that the wheels of bureaucracy are ponderous.
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I've had my Type 97 for a while now. How long that "while" will last may well be another thing.
Only three things can happen:
1) The legal classification stays the same as it originally was.
2) The Legal classification changes to prohib and we get to keep them through some "new"
grandfather status.3) They send their people (edited - I wrote this earlier without thinking) to come get them - with no compensation
I think either option one or two will happen. I'm more hopeful for option 1 than I was in the middle of the week.
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On Farmer Harv's side I must say that even though he doesnt have a monentary interest in how this whole T 97 fiasco turns out, he is still willing to get involved by showing interest and writing letters / emails / fax ect. That is the true Gun Nutz spirit and much better that sitting on your rump and waiting for this Anti gun movement to spread like a yeast infection.
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Good question - there probably is some legal action that could be taken - but there has to be someone interested enough spend the money on it.
Exactly!
I have no monetary interest in this t97 issue either,(fugliest gun ever)!
However i did today send round 4 of my letters to everyone, PM, VL,GB, My MP.
Emailed, Faxed, and hand written in mail on monday.
If you dont get involved it will spread to others and Fast.
Only three things can happen:
1) The legal classification stays the same as it originally was.
2) The Legal classification changes to prohib and we get to keep them through some "new"
3) They send their jack booted thugs to come get them - with no compensation
I think either option one or two will happen. I'm more hopeful for option 1 than I was in the middle of the week.
SPI - again - please stop. You are cluttering up a thread that you hate because it is so cluttered...???
Is that your legal opinion as a lawyer and expert on politics and firearms legislation?
Because if it is not it is MORE SPECULATION.
That serves no useful purpose.
So, sorry if I'm putting a lid on an oil fire in a pan, but maybe you need to wait a few working days until Chris has some time to contact the RCMP and the CFC directly instead of continuing to post.
Here's the issue as I see it.
The RCMP have traditionally acted with little or no resistance in the past and once they made their call the case was considered closed. Now thanks to CGN we have can apply pressure during the process and hopefully cause them to questions their actions.
People are worried because our money and our freedoms are on the line, thankfully people are getting active. People are getting active because of CGN and this thread and that is never a bad thing. If you are posting here and not joining the letter writing campaign then why waste your time here? Gun control is and always has been a political issue and if we're going to effect it we have to use public pressure. The media isn't going to tell Canada about whats going on, thankfully CGN is a means for some information to get out.
Please even if you don't own a gun the actions of the RCMP is this case are very concerning. When the police begin to interpret policy, react to policy or create it then much more is at stake then a couple types of rifle types. There are people in this country who would ignorantly applaud the RCMP's actions in this matter and many more who won't understand and therefor not care. We cannot afford to let this happen in our country without any action on our part. Quite frankly even the anti supporter should be disturbed by the WAY this is happening.
If the RCMP reclassify this rifle as prohibited then there is VERY strong argument that they are making policy. When the police make the policy you live in a police state, when the police follow and act in accordance with the law the you live in a true Democratic Republic.
Which do you want to be a part of?
If you do nothing the worst case scenario is you got what you deserved.
If you do something the worst case scenario is you did what was right when you could.
GET ACTIVE. Don't pay someone else to get active and don't wait. GET ACTIVE. One letter is a hell of a lot more then nothing.
The RCMP have traditionally acted with little or no resistance in the past and once they made their call the case was considered closed. Now thanks to CGN we have can apply pressure during the process and hopefully cause them to questions their actions.
People are worried because our money and our freedoms are on the line, thankfully people are getting active. People are getting active because of CGN and this thread and that is never a bad thing. If you are posting here and not joining the letter writing campaign then why waste your time here? Gun control is and always has been a political issue and if we're going to effect it we have to use public pressure. The media isn't going to tell Canada about whats going on, thankfully CGN is a means for some information to get out.
Please even if you don't own a gun the actions of the RCMP is this case are very concerning. When the police begin to interpret policy, react to policy or create it then much more is at stake then a couple types of rifle types. There are people in this country who would ignorantly applaud the RCMP's actions in this matter and many more who won't understand and therefor not care. We cannot afford to let this happen in our country without any action on our part. Quite frankly even the anti supporter should be disturbed by the WAY this is happening.
If the RCMP reclassify this rifle as prohibited then there is VERY strong argument that they are making policy. When the police make the policy you live in a police state, when the police follow and act in accordance with the law the you live in a true Democratic Republic.
Which do you want to be a part of?
If you do nothing the worst case scenario is you got what you deserved.
If you do something the worst case scenario is you did what was right when you could.
GET ACTIVE. Don't pay someone else to get active and don't wait. GET ACTIVE. One letter is a hell of a lot more then nothing.
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I found this statement about a year and a half ago. It was in Bill C-35 (reverse onus in bail hearings for firearm-related offences) that was presented to a legislative committe in May of 2007 by Tony Cannavino, President Canadian Police Association. By the sounds of things, someone took the ball and started running with it.
http://cmte.parl.gc.ca/Content/HOC/Committee/391/CC35/Evidence/EV2893084/CC35EV06-E.PDF
Now this is the question you need to be asking. It seems to me the law is quite clear on the actual criteria. In fact according to the criteria there are quite a few rifles that should not be prohib.
Who cares anyone with half a brain and the willingness to use it knows that the tools used are unimportant.
That is just it. There are no criteria, for restricted beyond barrel length, centre fire, semi auto, except for the AR-15 which as far as I know is the only rifle prescribed restricted by name. For prohibs, other than F/A and C/A, THERE ARE NO CRITERIA EXCEPT "LOOKS". So technically, he (the spokesman) is quite right. To an anti, a CZ-858, Swiss Arms, AR-180B DO fit the criteria of a prohib 12.4 or 12.5 rifle. THEY LOOK "SCARY" TO AN ANTI!
Intresting read
I read alot about gangs, smugglers and guns that are not in the hands of legal gun owners. i also read quote"if you have a hole in the wall you can turn up the heat but that does not fix the problem"that is correct as the gentleman says you have to fix the wall.However we are not the hole in the wall the criminals are.the one instance they keep coming back to is polytec where a "legal gun owner" was involved however by the RCMP's own words they just turned up the heat. Because of the registry and all the other demands that are placed upon them in the name of gun control it did not have the resources to follow up on his refrences or run his name properly to see if he had mental health problems.I say scrap the long gun fiasco and spend the money so they are better able to do their job.which is going after illegal guns and following through if the screening process.I know i will get flamed for this but i would welcome tougher screening to keep the public safe.however removing guns does nothing as long as there are other ways for one to reach the same end as what happened at polytec.like the avitar says you never need a gun to you REALLY need a gun.
I read alot about gangs, smugglers and guns that are not in the hands of legal gun owners. i also read quote"if you have a hole in the wall you can turn up the heat but that does not fix the problem"that is correct as the gentleman says you have to fix the wall.However we are not the hole in the wall the criminals are.the one instance they keep coming back to is polytec where a "legal gun owner" was involved however by the RCMP's own words they just turned up the heat. Because of the registry and all the other demands that are placed upon them in the name of gun control it did not have the resources to follow up on his refrences or run his name properly to see if he had mental health problems.I say scrap the long gun fiasco and spend the money so they are better able to do their job.which is going after illegal guns and following through if the screening process.I know i will get flamed for this but i would welcome tougher screening to keep the public safe.however removing guns does nothing as long as there are other ways for one to reach the same end as what happened at polytec.like the avitar says you never need a gun to you REALLY need a gun.
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