The NEW KING is taking off!

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Wasn't an argument but a simple question that I was gonna pass an answer along to.


Tell him to look a little harder. ;)

Ammunition and components have been tough to get the last few years, it's not surprising that it's hard to find 375 Ruger ammo. Especially considering both Ruger and Hornady were surprised that the amount of sales they did far surpassed their projections!
 
I've never seen factory ammo for the 375 Breeding, 375-338 or 376 Steyr for that matter.

Correct, because they didn't have the marketing machine behind them. The Breeding is a very good example because it is virtually identical to the Ruger. Had Winchester, Remington or Ruger for that matter joined with an ammo manufacturer - and done the proper marketing - it could have, imo, been just a successful.
 
Correct, because they didn't have the marketing machine behind them. The Breeding is a very good example because it is virtually identical to the Ruger. Had Winchester, Remington or Ruger for that matter joined with an ammo manufacturer - and done the proper marketing - it could have, imo, been just a successful.

They need more than marketing, they need to produce the rifles, too.

There have been many good wildcats over the years that were never picked up by a large rifle manufacturer.

Could it have been just as successful? Who knows?:confused:
 
Testament to the great interest in the NEW KING!!

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Testament to the blah days of winter.

GH - consider the .308 and .358 Norma magnums. Norma tried to market them by getting brass and dies available and, iirc, supplying reamers on loan to gunsmiths. It was a bad way to do things. Winchester came along with the .300 Win Mag and offered reasonably priced rifles and loaded ammo - it was the right way to market their new cartridge. Similarly you could look at the 7x61 S&H vs the 7mm Rem Mag. - both offer, for practical purposes, identical performance.
 
Testament to the blah days of winter.

GH - consider the .308 and .358 Norma magnums. Norma tried to market them by getting brass and dies available and, iirc, supplying reamers on loan to gunsmiths. It was a bad way to do things. Winchester came along with the .300 Win Mag and offered reasonably priced rifles and loaded ammo - it was the right way to market their new cartridge. Similarly you could look at the 7x61 S&H vs the 7mm Rem Mag. - both offer, for practical purposes, identical performance.

You need a PRODUCT to even begin marketing. ;)

You are never going to make a cartridge popular just by supplying reamers to gunsmiths. You need the rifles and the cartridges, then you can start marketing them.

You can talk about marketing all you want but the reason the 375 Breeding didn't go anywhere is that he didn't have an actual product to sell to the general public.
 
Testament to the blah days of winter.

GH - consider the .308 and .358 Norma magnums. Norma tried to market them by getting brass and dies available and, iirc, supplying reamers on loan to gunsmiths. It was a bad way to do things. Winchester came along with the .300 Win Mag and offered reasonably priced rifles and loaded ammo - it was the right way to market their new cartridge. Similarly you could look at the 7x61 S&H vs the 7mm Rem Mag. - both offer, for practical purposes, identical performance.

Right you are. I have, in Schultz & Larsen rifles, a 7x61 S&H, a 308 Norma Magnum and am searching for one in 358 Norma Magnum. In preparation for the day I acquire one, at a local gun show I picked up seven boxes of Norma factory and a set of RCBS dies.

I've inquired into and have recieved and checked out info on the 375 Ruger. Interesting but if I ever go for a 375, taking into account my taste in old cartridges VS their newer counter parts, I'd probably go for a 375 H&H.
 
One of the big selling points of the .375 Ruger is that it fits a standard action, and relieves the problem of those ill-equipped fellows who 'short stroke'. Those of us red blooded males who take a full stroke generally prefer the genuine .375.:p

Every time I hear someone advocate for the Ruger round, I'm reminded of the old story about "The Emperors New Clothes"....wherein, of course, he was naked. In ten years guys will be searching E-bay for brass, and selling single rounds in back alleys and on the black market. You'll have to trade three Ruger Alaskans to get one bubba'd SMLE, and the internet will be full of directions on how to turn them into lamp stands and hat racks. Better if it just goes and sits by all the Wizzums, Rums and Saums now, before it causes more trouble.:D
 
Every time I hear someone advocate for the Ruger round, I'm reminded of the old story about "The Emperors New Clothes"....wherein, of course, he was naked. In ten years guys will be searching E-bay for brass, and selling single rounds in back alleys and on the black market. You'll have to trade three Ruger Alaskans to get one bubba'd SMLE, and the internet will be full of directions on how to turn them into lamp stands and hat racks. Better if it just goes and sits by all the Wizzums, Rums and Saums now, before it causes more trouble.:D

When the 300WSM was announced, I heard exaclty the same thing "Better stock up on brass, since this cartridge isn't going to last more than a few years"

That was 2001;)
 
Nothing wrong with the .375 Ruger, in fact, I think it's a fine cartridge. Not sure if I corrected what you said there Gatehouse, but no, the .375 H&H and the .375 Ruger both propel 300gr bullets to 2645 fps and 2660 fps respectively from the same length barrel, 24", on the same amount of H4350 (0.8 grs difference in powder charge). It's the max performing load for both at a 300gr bullet. There's zero advantage to the Ruger, both are identical in performance with heavy bullets on the same amount of powder. There is a slight advantage with 270gr and lighter bullets to the Ruger, however, seeing as I only load 300gr and 350gr, it doesn't make a difference in my world but for some, it certainly would be a consideration.

The .375 Ruger is likely the (fractionally) better .375 for North America, as it performs a touch better with lighter bullet weights, and matches the H&H at heavier bullet weights. Now, that said, I'd still take the H&H for Africa (and I am doing so), as ammo DOES go missing by no fault of your own on trips that long, to such places, and I trust the feeding and extraction of the H&H far more for dangerous game use. It's designed for it, through and through. Also, as an absolute certainty, the true Magnum rifles chambered for the H&H are better guns, and allow far longer seating than any .375 Ruger, and I'm certain the H&H would run away from the Ruger given this situation with the true heavies- 350gr and 380gr bullets. The .375 Ruger would be severely handicapped using these dangerous game bullets, as it would eat up an absurd amount of case capacity, and require bullets to be excessively seated back into the case. Where as with the H&H, in a true Magnum action, you can seat out, in my RSM's case as I mentioned earlier, to almost 4" OAL. Even with 300gr bullets, and H4350, being able to seat out I am going way beyond the published 2645fps with very low pressure and not compressing loads. Frankly, the .375 Ruger wouldn't keep up in this case. It's faster with lighter bullets however.

Both have their purpose, the .375 H&H for big stuff, the .375 Ruger for North America likely (though it will kill just as well in Africa I'm sure). As for action length, never understood that, I'll take more room if I can get it! Never once short stroked in my life, and have trouble imagining how one would could do that, as no bolt action south of a .700 H&H is really that long. I don't notice a difference between cycling a LA and a MA.
 
Ardent, I've loaded for both the .375 Ruger and the H&H. There is no question that the performance between the 2 is virtually identical. The Ruger has a small amount more powder capacity, that is all.

However, using a 300gr Accubond in my 20" barrel Ruger Alaskan, I get 2635fps, about the same as a H&H in a 24" barrel.

Feeding and extracting is the same for the Ruger as any other cartridge with less taper than the H&H, like a .416 Remington, .458 Winchester, .416 Rigby, .338 WM etc.

The NEW KING is available in a nice compact and quick handling rifle, perfect for mountain use or use in thick cover, and delivers time proven H&H performance.

It's the perfect rifle and cartridge combination for hunting anything you want, anywhere.;)

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