If, hypothetically having the barrels along causes a border issue, or PSA just doesn't want to make barrels to our NR length or attempt fitting a 20" barrel to a Jakl, isn't having the barrels locally sourced better then having no Jakl at all?
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this configuration is the cat-ass
13.7" bbl with long handguard with rail slot all the way to the very front end. Ditch that bulk of a UGG boot-stock thing on a plastic hinge, and have it with aluminium adjustable folding stock like the MCX Gen 2 stock instead. Replace the long sound suppressor adaptor with a short 3 pronged vortex style flash suppressor like what the Bren2 has.
https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa...-7-nitride-moe-sl-ept-f5-stock-rifle-fde.html
13.7" bbl with long handguard with rail slot all the way to the very front end. Ditch that bulk of a UGG boot-stock thing on a plastic hinge, and have it with aluminium adjustable folding stock like the MCX Gen 2 stock instead. Replace the long sound suppressor adaptor with a short 3 pronged vortex style flash suppressor like what the Bren2 has.
https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa...-7-nitride-moe-sl-ept-f5-stock-rifle-fde.html
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What’s wrong with you guys.. 20” barrel
Why? To get a couple fps you aren’t doing anything with to shoot at paper? And 5.56 WAS designed around 20”
Was
Not anymore. Nobody uses 20” barrels because they would rather have a firearm and not a lance
You guys wearing chainmail cosplay and using these on horseback with bayonets or something?
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How you guys think it costs any extra to clip off 1.4” from a blank that’s probably longer than 20” when it’s made makes no sense to me.. they don’t wave a wand and have a 20” barrel.. they make it. So they can make the same thing at 18.6
All it takes is a ruler and doesn’t change the process
There won't be 20" from PSA let me tell you the obvious reason. They template their barrels off AR barrel profiles - they mass produced couple of barrel profiles and fit into as many platforms as possible.
there maybe a 20" AR barrel somewhere in PSA catalogue, but there isn't a JAKL gas system and push rod that fit into the 20" AR barrel gas system profile
There isn't a 20" AR barrel using 14.5/16" gas system. They aren't going to spend resources on that sort of thing.
hence this is pawed off to a second manufacturer in Canada. Once they are in they are in the country. The fact that if they make a bunch of these weird 20" bbl using 16 gas system, if bad things happen no one will buy them in the US it is a 100% loss.
there maybe a 20" AR barrel somewhere in PSA catalogue, but there isn't a JAKL gas system and push rod that fit into the 20" AR barrel gas system profile
There isn't a 20" AR barrel using 14.5/16" gas system. They aren't going to spend resources on that sort of thing.
hence this is pawed off to a second manufacturer in Canada. Once they are in they are in the country. The fact that if they make a bunch of these weird 20" bbl using 16 gas system, if bad things happen no one will buy them in the US it is a 100% loss.
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Also I want to point it out, once the lower is in, it also provides ample opportunities for other manufacturers create uppers for it. The 2 push pin design is way more valuable from an engineering/design perspective than the one pin/weird spring load ledge thingy.
The priority is to get this in.
The priority is to get this in.
have you seen the ads for those 'crusader' things? lol
As much as I'd much rather have a factory complete NR Jakl/180 from PSA (and would be plenty happy with a 20" barrel if that made it happen) what Greentips is saying makes sense. PSA aren't gonna drill a bunch of 20" barrels for the 16" gas system nor will they develop (at least not at this point) a push rod/gas system for a rifle length 20" (maybe they will in the future and we can just buy new uppers). So the big question is where will the final price end up? As long as it's reasonable (<$2500), I'll buy one, probably buy a 13.7 upper for the range too. If it's getting pretty close to the cost of a NR Bren though it makes a lot less sense...
If irunguns can buy the uppers without a barrel installed they I can’t see why under $2000 CAD isn’t possible. The full rifle goes for $1300usd with the barrel (to consumer). Meaning that if they can get the uppers without barrel they should save at least $200- USD.
I hope you're correct as I'd like a NR semi with AR ergos that is reliable, well engineered, accurate and doesn't suffer from all the weird issues the Canadian 180s seem to have.
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