Turkey Hunting a**hole Shot My Dog !!! ? Updated May 8 By 88 Man

[BIGREDD]

Here's a pet peeve of mine. Gun owners who do stupid things. Shooting a dog that just wandered on to your place and isn't doing any harm falls into that category. If I'd taken that same approach I'd be shooting dogs on a regular basis and I'd be the most hated man in the district.

The reason I don't shoot dogs for just wandering on to my property is because when the owner of the dog catches up to you and you've murdered his beloved family pet it gives the anti-hunting types one more reason to push for local bans which is exactly what is happening in my township.

That is not the only thing that could happen... people are likely to confront you in a highly emotional state if you have harmed their pet! As evidenced by many respondents and the author of this thread.
If you ever shoot a dog you had better be prepared for the consequences.. both legal and personal!

 

[Demonical]

Guys I grew up on a farm in rural Ontario in the 1960's, and a dog(s) was kept around for watching the yard and maybe helping herd the cattle. So they were working dogs and a fact of life is dogs get old you take it out back and shoot it, dogs wander off and come home stuck full of porqupine quills you pay $$$ to the vet etc... so I don't attach the sentiment to the issue.

In our area the farms were far enough apart that any dog that came onto your property was clearly miles from it's rightful place. Hey we knew all the other landowners and their dogs. If Jackson's dog or Andrew's dog had showed up we'd a called them up to get their dog, but a strange dog was definitely liable to be shot.

I can appreciate the comments from BIG REDD about houndmen running their dogs and stuff. Those guys are extra attached to the beasts I know...

 

[scanner]

I took my 2 beagles out for a run this morning and one of the beagles came back with about 3 #4 shots in her hip and one in her front end.None are in her as I gave her a really thourow check.I guess some idiot out there does'nt know what a turkey or a beagle look like when they see them.I was on private property with about 500 acres and I was the only one able to be there but know now that does'nt mean s**t !
All I can say is what goes around comes around and paybacks are a real ##### !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

88
I value my hounds just about as much as my wife so you mess with them you mess you me.

This is a touchy subject, but I'm just wondering why you are blamming this on a turky hunter? I mean you did not see it happen. It might not have been a hunter at all. For all that matter it could have been a camper or a home owner protecting his/her cat? Or just someone who does not like dogs. Why so quick to say it was a hunter?

 

[Foxer]

This is a touchy subject, but I'm just wondering why you are blamming this on a turky hunter? I mean you did not see it happen. It might not have been a hunter at all. For all that matter it could have been a camper or a home owner protecting his/her cat? Or just someone who does not like dogs. Why so quick to say it was a hunter?

Well... you're right, but... shotgun with #4 shot? If i'm going camping or packing a shotgun for protection, not hunting, i'm packing slugs or at the very least buck.

Mind you - it might not have been a turkey hunter. Could have been someone out for something else if anything's open, like crows or rabbits or coons or the like.

 

[Claybuster]

That is not the only thing that could happen... people are likely to confront you in a highly emotional state if you have harmed their pet! As evidenced by many respondents and the author of this thread.
If you ever shoot a dog you had better be prepared for the consequences.. both legal and personal!

Absolutely right. Sometimes there are benefits to showing a little discretion and indiscriminately blasting every dog that just wanders on your property.

The second summer we were in the country I spotted a large shepherd cross in the same field as our new foal. I was in a position to drop the dog had it showed aggression but it responded to my commands so I tied it up at our main gate. A while later later a very anxious couple the next concession showed up and very grateful to get their dog back. It was a better outcome all round.

Mind you - it might not have been a turkey hunter. Could have been someone out for something else if anything's open, like crows or rabbits or coons or the like.

Given the time of year and the location the odds are overwhelming that it was a turkey hunter. Rabbit and coon seasons are closed. Might have been a crow hunter but crows aren't usually shot on the ground. #4 shot is another indication as turkey hunting in Ontario is limited to #4, 5 and 6 shot.

 

[scanner]

Well... you're right, but... shotgun with #4 shot? If i'm going camping or packing a shotgun for protection, not hunting, i'm packing slugs or at the very least buck.

Mind you - it might not have been a turkey hunter. Could have been someone out for something else if anything's open, like crows or rabbits or coons or the like.

Good point about the #4, however again, why so fast to blame this on a hunter? Even if a crow, rabbit, etc season is open? Especially when the act was not seen. It could have been someone who just bought an unregistered 12ga from the blackmarket that came with some different sized rounds, and he/she was out in the woods trying it when the dog came by? Or maybe it was an anti-hunter who reconized the dog as a hunting breed? I don't know? But what I do know is we get enough unfair blame in the media and by the anti-hunters at every chance they get. It should not happen here, too, unless we are positive of what took place. Just my two cents

 

[DarrylDB]

I can appreciate the comments from BIG REDD about houndmen running their dogs and stuff. Those guys are extra attached to the beasts I know...

Yeah, much more attached than your average 7 year old

 

[Salty]

Read the rest of the thread before you get all in a huff

I've got a better idea. Go and edit your incorrect post! Which by the way is the stupidest one that I've read on this site likely ever!! Very telling though.

 

[bill c68]

I want to point out a few points here.
First I don't condone shooting a dog that obviously got away from iit's owner.
But iIdid notice a few details while reading the posts (I didn't get to all of them so if it has been mentioned already, sorry)

A. the Collar wasn't giving a strong signal. Is it possible the dog was too far away?? like on another property?

B. Shot sounded further away. Well maybe it was.

C. It took awhile to get the dog back. See point A.

My first impresssion from this quick read is your dog was NOT on the 500 acres you had access to.

I am glad your dog is OK. I would be some pissed if one of my dogs were shot but if it was interfering with someone else I would understand.

 

[Salty]

if you read it all you'll see 88's dog's tracking collar was shot too and he has to send the thing in for repairs

 

[bill c68]

if you read it all you'll see 88's dog's tracking collar was shot too and he has to send the thing in for repairs

I did read that but it may have been shot after the dog was miles away, I have owned Beagles, it is not uncommon to find them miles from where they should be.

 

[John Y Cannuck]

I don't really know what I'd do in a like situation.
I know, from hunting with beagles on deer for decades, that 500 acres is small territory for a beagle on a track.
I also know that a radio collar is easilly seen on a beagle, and obviously places the dog in the 'I am not a stray' catagory.
I also know how very pissed I would be if it was one of my dogs.
I'd say the shooter was a very lucky ba$tard that he didn't meet the dogs owner.

 

[Balls]

If someone took a poke at my dogs...........he'd better run like hell!!!!

 

[fogducker]

ive seen a ton of dogs on the trail of game...i,ll bet donuts to bullets..
that who ever shot the dog....had a bad case of tom fever..heard a noise and let er rip..

 

[John Y Cannuck]

Not with you on that one fogducker, beagles don't sound anything like Turkeys.
I think he was ticked that the dog scared away his birds, and new damned well he was shooting at a dog.

 

[thebuckhunter]

If the shot sounded that far away and the direction was unknown, could it not be possible that your dog had crossed the fence? Turkey loads are not exactly silent and even have a louder report. Was there more than one shot from more than one direction? A beagle is what, 24-32 inches long, not counting the tail, give or take? Has anyone ever patterned a turkey load out to 40 yards with a XXF choke? How wide was your pattern and what was the density of the pattern? 3 or 4 pellets going from the collar to the tip of the tail is how far? 60 yards or so? The pellets might have even been from a deflection. Did you measure the size of the shot? Are you sure it was #4? Could it have been #5? If you didn't hear the shot properly and didn't see the shooter, are you sure it was a hunter? It might have been the neighbor shooting at a coyote. Don't make assumptions on who did it if you didn't see it, yet alone knew what direction the shot came from.

I'm glad your dog is ok and am sorry that the incident happened, but don't accuse anyone of tresspassing or hunting without being 100% sure of the FACTS. It make us all look bad in the end.

-Jason

 

[boney]

I've had afew turkey hunts ruined by Walker hounds in the past and couldn't imagine shooting one of em(hounds) because of it.I dont really care for the fact that these guys are chasing coyotes(always deer that I see) in the spring while the turkey's are on, but I wouldn't spray one of their dogs because of it.
My labrador has been known to wander down the road when the neighbor's shepperd is in heat.You turn your back to take a piss and he's gone.Yes,I know where he is headed and I'll jump in the truck to head him off,but sometimes he beats you there before you even notice he's gone.I certainly would be very upset if he was shot by the shepperds owner because he was trying to feed some ##### a length.
I've had lots of walkers and a couple unfamiliar dogs show up here at the house and wouldnt dream of shooting any one of em.
I think shooting tresspassing dogs is a pretty rare thing,even back in the 60's and 70's.Doesn't seem like a sensible thing to do,to me.
Sorry about you hound Ed!
Another thing that just came to me.I have had many a hound go through my property at all different times of the year.All of the owners of these hounds are claiming to be running fox or coyotes.The ONLY hounds I have ever seen run coyote since I have lived in this house (8 years)are Ed's.(88man)
Every time I hear a chase.I'll try to get out and have a look and these other people's dogs are ALWAYS on deer.EVERYTIME (that I have seen)
This may not be important but thought I'd mention it.
Better start running them at night.Most of the turkey hunters should be out of the woods by dark.

 

[Brambles]

Why should he, I still think your being a f**king idiot, and I read the whole thing...

Just curious, what parts of what i had to say made you think that I'm being a f**king idiot???

I made one mis-quote and admitted to it, I didn't try and hide it by editing my post and making like it didn't happen. I see no problems with that.

I said to the guy that I thought it was terrible that his dog was shot,

However after reading his story there were a bunch of things that didn't quite line up so I played the devils advocate and brought another possible scenario to light, one a little more realistic than some guy taking random pot shots at his dog for no reason "IMO of course".

I have no argument with anyone here, I don't know you, you don't know me.
What gives???

 

[Foxer]

Originally Posted by DarrylDB
Why should he, I still think your being a f**king idiot, and I read the whole thing..

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Just curious, what parts of what i had to say made you think that I'm being a f**king idiot???

Will you two please knock it off with the personal insult stuff? Yeash.

 

[X-man]

So what your saying is that its ok for your dog to chase animals if it doesn't get caught or its on private property and those deer or turkeys or moose, whatever, don't have the same rights as public land animals.

The fact that he is on private land isn't the point, so someone was tresspassing, not the issue here.
Sure he had the illusion that he should be all alone and should be able to let his dogs run freely, thats great, but its a hunting dog in hunting season. I always keep my dog in eyesight and have trained him that way, he actually doesn't wander more than 10 or 20 feet while sniffing around.

As you can tell I'm not an advocate for letting a dog run around unchecked and unsupervised. While master is away the dog will play...

If you keep your hunting dog within 10-20 feet of you at all times, I'm pretty certain you don't own Beagles, Foxhounds, Basset Hounds, or any other type of hound for that matter!

I own beagles, I also own a large parcel of wooded land behind my house. I stocked the woods with showshoe hare. ON My Own Property. The hares are mine, the beagles are mine. I let the dogs run the hares during the off-season, to keep them fit and in shape for hunting season. I generally don't run them when the bunnies are in the process of being born/weaned i.e., handy about now. I don't consider those bunnies "wild animals" and I'm going to let my dogs run them whenever I want. There isn't a single Conservation Officer or RCMP Officer stepping foot on my property without a valid warrant. I don't run them on Crown Land, unless that is specifically permitted during the off-season or in that specific place.

As for the beagle in question...might be a good idea to use a beagle bell in conjunction with the radio collar. I'm guessing that some asshat simply fired at the movement of the dog, rather than taking the time to identify his target. Takes all kinds!