Turkey Hunting a**hole Shot My Dog !!! ? Updated May 8 By 88 Man

[Brambles]

I want to point out a few points here.
First I don't condone shooting a dog that obviously got away from iit's owner.
But iIdid notice a few details while reading the posts (I didn't get to all of them so if it has been mentioned already, sorry)

A. the Collar wasn't giving a strong signal. Is it possible the dog was too far away?? like on another property?

B. Shot sounded further away. Well maybe it was.

C. It took awhile to get the dog back. See point A.

My first impresssion from this quick read is your dog was NOT on the 500 acres you had access to.

I am glad your dog is OK. I would be some pissed if one of my dogs were shot but if it was interfering with someone else I would understand.

Basically the points that I thought were interesting too, and one further one.

He had collars on his dogs, which I think is great, more people should have them. However is implies that he already knows his dogs have a habit of running away. And a later post says that it took some time to find her, which also sounds like the dog never did come back, he had to go and track her down.

Just some interesting points, you gonna call me names for them

 

[Brambles]

To the guy that has a dog trained to stay at his feet...good for you, you have a great pet, hope you enjoy your Poodle but were talking a real hunting dog here, if my beagle stayed at my feet during hunting season I wouldn't be near so proud of him, in fact I'd be so embarrassed I'd leave him at home for the wife to cuddle

NOPE not a poodle, I have a dog bred to chase animals BlueHeeler AKA Australian cattle dog, but its something I don't tolerate and we have come to an understanding that he doesn't do it. When we hike I make sure he's close, one of the reasons for that is because I love the little bugger and don't want anything to happen to him another reason is I feel that its a dog owners due diligence to keep his dog in check.

I was hunting one year in Novemeber, tons of snow. Hiked up a shutdown FSR looking for whitetails when these two dogs came running at me barking and jumping up on me. The owner, who was cross country skiing came by a couple minutes later after I had calmed the dogs down. No appoligy or anything The thing that pissed me off the most, other than dogs running free, is that they jumped up on me and got dirty wet dog smell all over my hunting gear, so much for my de-scenting routine I went through that morning

Anyways a little off topic, here's my not-a-poodle obeying nicely

 

[Brambles]

Will you two please knock it off with the personal insult stuff? Yeash.

I haven't insulted anyone, just quoting a statement directed at me for some clarification. By the way i'm not taking these insults personally today, check back in tomorrow, things might have changed by then

 

[Foxer]

I haven't insulted anyone, just quoting a statement directed at me for some clarification. By the way i'm not taking these insults personally today, check back in tomorrow, things might have changed by then

Well knock it off anyway! Gaddammmit!

(grumble grumble grumble. Wrong $&(#$ day to quit coffee. Grumble. )

 

[senior]

Quote:
Originally Posted by senior
To the guy that has a dog trained to stay at his feet...good for you, you have a great pet, hope you enjoy your Poodle but were talking a real hunting dog here, if my beagle stayed at my feet during hunting season I wouldn't be near so proud of him, in fact I'd be so embarrassed I'd leave him at home for the wife to cuddle

NOPE not a poodle, I have a dog bred to chase animals BlueHeeler AKA Australian cattle dog,

I was hunting one year in Novemeber, tons of snow. Hiked up a shutdown FSR looking for whitetails when these two dogs came running at me barking and jumping up on me. The owner, who was cross country skiing came by a couple minutes later after I had calmed the dogs down. No appoligy or anything The thing that pissed me off the most, other than dogs running free, is that they jumped up on me and got dirty wet dog smell all over my hunting gear, so much for my de-scenting routine I went through that morning

Anyways a little off topic, here's my not-a-poodle obeying nicely

Well thanks for that
What does your "cattle dog trained to stay at your feet" got to do with a Beagle, a real hunting dog in this situation
I have been hunting for over 35yrs & while I have had a strange dog jump up on me, it not real common & neither bothered my hunt or made me go into hysterics because I got a dirty dog print on my pants.


On a side note, there's a few comments about the shots & distance in this case. I don't know what kind of terrian 88Man is hunting but up here in rougher country I have had shots fired 300yds from me that were very faint & sounded like miles away & by the same token I have also heard shots fired which I thought were very close only to turn out to be 1 1/2 kms away
There's to many variables considering hills, valleys, size of gun, direction of blast & maybe the biggest factor wind direction to accurately estimate distance from a gun shot.

 

[DUTCH$]

It just goes to show that to many hunters are trigger happy, you should only shoot what you can clearly see.
It's a good thing your dog wasn't killed bye that idiot.

 

[DUTCH$]

It just goes to show that to many hunters are trigger happy, you should only shoot what you can clearly see.
It's a good thing your dog wasn't killed bye that idiot.

And also after taking the radio tracking collar off her there was a pellet in the collar as well.It took me quite a while to find her and that would be the reason why,the collar was'nt putting out the signal it should have been.I'll have to send the collar back to be repaired in the US now too.
88

 

[walksalot]

A friend of mine was in the bush when a deer, with it's toung hanging out, came stumbling by. The poor animal was totally exhausted and on the verge of collapse. He waited for a bit and sure enough a dog emerged following the animal. Without any hesitation he shot the dog. Personally, I have zero sympathy for a dog harrassing wildlife and that includes my own. I have seen what dogs do to the animal and let me tell you it ain't pretty.

 

[Woodsman]

Well believe it or not but you are not allowed to shoot roaming dogs in Quebec and you may want to check your regs in each of your respective provinces to see what they say.

There are many out there that will shoot at any dog anywhere and that is why I keep my Golden retriever at home. I'd love to take him for a romp after some rabbits, partridge, or woodcock, but I am afraid he will get shot by some trigger happy yahoo.

I did once take him for a romp, but it was a weekday when I knew no one was in the bush and I had put an orange vest on him!

I can understand a hunter shooting a dog that is chasing down deer regularly to the point of exhaustion. I cannot understand another that will just blatantly kill a dog because it was in his sights.

 

[88 man]

A friend of mine was in the bush when a deer, with it's toung hanging out, came stumbling by. The poor animal was totally exhausted and on the verge of collapse. He waited for a bit and sure enough a dog emerged following the animal. Without any hesitation he shot the dog. Personally, I have zero sympathy for a dog harrassing wildlife and that includes my own. I have seen what dogs do to the animal and let me tell you it ain't pretty.

The animals these dogs were chasing must have been sick or something.After over 25 yrs raising hounds and hunting with them I have yet to see a wild animal with there tongue hanging out unless it was on a pole and I'm sure every hound man will tell you that as well.Wild animals are in the best of shape for running,this is what they do, naturally.So IMHO they must have been old or ready to kick the bucket anyways if this is the way it was.If a wild animal has had enough of being chased they will go to water where they cannot be tracked or chased,just as if they were shot and wounded,go to water and stay there for safety.

Woodsman said :
"Well believe it or not but you are not allowed to shoot roaming dogs in Quebec and you may want to check your regs in each of your respective provinces to see what they say."

This is the same here in Ontario.Unlees the dogs are hurting your livestock,there nothing legally you can do other than call the dog catcher.I did every possible thing to know where they were at all times as I allways do !.
88

 

[Demonical]

The animals these dogs were chasing must have been sick or something.After over 25 yrs raising hounds and hunting with them I have yet to see a wild animal with there tongue hanging out unless it was on a pole and I'm sure every hound man will tell you that as well.Wild animals are in the best of shape for running,this is what they do, naturally.So IMHO they must have been old or ready to kick the bucket anyways if this is the way it was.If a wild animal has had enough of being chased they will go to water where they cannot be tracked or chased,just as if they were shot and wounded,go to water and stay there for safety.

I have seen the exact thing in the French R area up around Powasson Ontario. Beagles from a hunting gang adjacent to our camp were on a deer and those damn dogs will run a deer all day. They are persistent little dogs!
In that situation the deer was exhausted and an easy shot for one of our gang.
The beagles didn't care, they just took off to trail up more deer! It took that hunting crew another 2 days or something like that to finally get all of those stupid beagles rounded up.

 

[Republic of Alberta]

After over 25 yrs raising hounds and hunting with them I have yet to see a wild animal with there tongue hanging out unless it was on a pole 88

When I hunted on the praries I saw many deer run (not by dogs) to the point thier tongue hung out.

 

[pottsy]

You're right Foxer

My facts got crossed from the B.C. Livestock act to the Wildlife act

Dogs causing injury or damage
11.1 (2) A person may kill a dog if the person finds the dog

(a) running at large, and

(b) attacking or viciously pursuing livestock.


If you brought this up to a judge in the event that you shot a dog chasing wildlife I don't think the charges would go very far, in my eyes there should be no difference between the protection of livestock and wildlife.

There is a huge destinction between wifdlife and livestock, hence the distinct acts covering the subject. Livestock you own, wildlife you do not and thus have no legal obligation nor right to protect in such a manner. And you better be damn sure you were the owner or legal guardian of said livestock before shooting somebodies dog.

It is funny the winding path this debate has trodden down. This is a case of some people hunting illegally and illegally shooting a domestic animal. I would have thought it hard to debate in any way somebody discharging a firearm illegally.

 

[Gatehouse]

Whether it is legal or not, dogs that are chasing wildlife unlawfully get shot on a regualr basis.

What a person that does this may be charged with is unclear. Destruction of property, perhaps?

The owner of the dog coudl be charged wiht allowing his dog to chase wildlife unlawfully, of course.

 

[Demonical]

There is a huge destinction between wifdlife and livestock, hence the distinct acts covering the subject. Livestock you own, wildlife you do not and thus have no legal obligation nor right to protect in such a manner. And you better be damn sure you were the owner or legal guardian of said livestock before shooting somebodies dog.

It is funny the winding path this debate has trodden down. This is a case of some people hunting illegally and illegally shooting a domestic animal. I would have thought it hard to debate in any way somebody discharging a firearm illegally.

That point is conjecture, it was never proven that the dog was shot by a hunter, it coulda been by some 15 year old kid out with his Dad's shotgun, it coulda been a farmer or a pissed off neighbor, etc... And as someone else pointed it, it could well have been an Anti-hunter that shot the damn dog!

Also it has been clearly established that the dog was out of sight and was gone for some time. Therefore it is not clear whether the dog left the property (and went onto land where it was not welcome)!

So you cannot prove that it was shot by someone hunting illegally; to say that is as irresponsible as shooting the dog!

 

[Claybuster]

That point is conjecture, it was never proven that the dog was shot by a hunter, it coulda been by some 15 year old kid out with his Dad's shotgun, it coulda been a farmer or a pissed off neighbor, etc... And as someone else pointed it, it could well have been an Anti-hunter that shot the damn dog!

Your forgot the possiblity that the dog deliberately ran into the pellets.

 

[Foxer]

What a person that does this may be charged with is unclear. Destruction of property, perhaps?

Some sort of mischief charge maybe?

Unless it was a HELL of an expensive dog, it would be hard to see any serious charge laid, if any were laid at all.

The only actual court case i read on something LIKE this was a civil one. The defendant was ordered to pay the owner for the cost of the dog. I guess you could also sue for training costs if it were a trained dog.

Anyway - it wouldn't hold a lot of folk back if they saw a dog after a deer. I'd be reluctant to shoot, especially if there was a coller or some indication it wasn't a stray, but i daresay in bc you'd be taking a hell of a risk.

 

[pottsy]

That point is conjecture, it was never proven that the dog was shot by a hunter, it coulda been by some 15 year old kid out with his Dad's shotgun, it coulda been a farmer or a pissed off neighbor, etc... And as someone else pointed it, it could well have been an Anti-hunter that shot the damn dog!

Also it has been clearly established that the dog was out of sight and was gone for some time. Therefore it is not clear whether the dog left the property (and went onto land where it was not welcome)!

So you cannot prove that it was shot by someone hunting illegally; to say that is as irresponsible as shooting the dog!

Really there is only two 'legal' means by which this animal could have been shot, and MANY illegal ones. Can I state factually that it was hunters that did so, no I cannot obviously, but I will take the odds which do not point in favour of a legal firearm discharge. I will err on the side of the dog and property owners whom 'believe' it to have been hunters based on first hand experience with the property.

 

[thebuckhunter]

If this incident happened in Ontario, here are the laws as taken from the 2007 hunting regs.

Concerning the shooter:

"Hunters who discharge firearms without due care and attention or
consideration for persons and property, are liable to a fine of
up to $25,000 or imprisonment for up to two years – or both.
Depending on the circumstances, a person may also be
subject to charges under the Criminal Code"

and,

Concerning the dog owner:

"Dogs may not run at large in an area inhabited by deer, moose,
elk or bear during the closed season. You must have an
authorization or licence issued from the local MNR office to
conduct dog training and field trials on game mammals and
game birds during the closed season, or an appropriate hunting
licence during the open season."


These are the laws stated. Read into them what you will, but I assume that 88man didn't have a permit and there are some form of game mammal or bird in the area. If I'm wrong, let me know but it seems that whomever shot the dog and whomever owned the dog were both at fault.

-Jason

 

[Foxer]

These are the laws stated. Read into them what you will, but I assume that 88man didn't have a permit and there are some form of game mammal or bird in the area. If I'm wrong, let me know but it seems that whomever shot the dog and whomever owned the dog were both at fault.

Aha - point of law tho, that WOULD NOT apply on private property, seeing as you legally require permission to hunt there! (at least in bc).

So.. no fault to the dog owner on private land, bad bad bad to the shooter who not only broke the law shooting at the dog, but also for hunting there in the first place. Assuming it was a hunter.