Type 97 Classification Issues - PART TWO
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How long have they been "reclassifying" (i.e, doing nothing with) this rifle? And any educated guess as to how much longer it will take?? I don't understand how there could be so much controversy over this rifle. Yes, it's bullpup therefore shorter in overall length, but the barrel is still within required measurements. Yes, it's semi-automatic and there may be a possibility to make it fully automatic. However there is that possibility with any automatic firearm mechanism, so what makes this rifle so much special?
Now I'm not going to pretend I know anything about the process, procedures, and bureaucracy involved in firearm classification (though I probably should research it) but I have a feeling they're just sitting with their thumbs up their arses on this one. If they have such indecision, just make it restricted. Whatever. A rifle is a rifle, regardless. I don't see how it could warrant to be prohibited, but if they have to be real big douchebags, than why don't they just do it already. It's quite frusturating (especially for those who've been trying to get the rifle for half a year or more).
I Just wish I could know if I should commit my money, or move on to something else...
Now I'm not going to pretend I know anything about the process, procedures, and bureaucracy involved in firearm classification (though I probably should research it) but I have a feeling they're just sitting with their thumbs up their arses on this one. If they have such indecision, just make it restricted. Whatever. A rifle is a rifle, regardless. I don't see how it could warrant to be prohibited, but if they have to be real big douchebags, than why don't they just do it already. It's quite frusturating (especially for those who've been trying to get the rifle for half a year or more).
I Just wish I could know if I should commit my money, or move on to something else...
IMO there is no real issue with this rifle. It's a five shot semi automatic rifle that looks a little different than the norm. Anybody with a rpal can buy a much more concealable higher mag capacity hand gun. The gun laws in place are more about treating normal people like criminals. Than punishing criminals for the crimes they do commit
That pretty much sums up ALL Canadian laws. Our justice system is facked up!
Release the criminals because they're only "poor victims with issues beyond their own control" and punish the innocent because they should know better than to be in the way of criminals or attempt to do things the right way...
Stupid bullsh!t "political correctness" facked up law and order, destroying any real possible punishment for crimes. Makes me sick.Anyway, I want a T97!
Clobbersauras
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Welcome to the new guys. I suggest you try to read through the posts in this thread. There's a lot of chaff but It will help you from posting stuff that isn't relevant or has been established.
I did not take it personal
I could not have anything to do with it, so I wasn't referring to myself. I only said that it is not wise to make half statements. As for Lector, I am not sure what to say. He chose not to post here anymore, but can defend himself if he sees your statements as an accusation. I will be back on the subject as there is much more to be said about Lector. If he had prior knowledge, so did few other people working in the firearms business I talked to. What sets Lector apart is the fact that apparently he knew not only about the Type 97 but about few other guns. I didn't even start to look for things about him and his knowledge, but I promise that I will.Yes, but I remember when I asked him for details, you said smthng different.
I knew why I asked him at that time
As I said, I will try my best to find about him, and I will post results of my investigation right here. But btw I am not sure I understand what you were expecting him to do. If he knew, then what was he supposed to do? Because if he said it in a “clear and concise manner” how you suggest, maybe you and others like you had your Lever guns frozen 2 years ago. Right? I am not sure what you suggest here. What would you do in a situation like that?
Thank you, CanAm.
Is there anybody who knows is the difference between the norinco and the polytec guns?
In my way of thinking, if all the old frt numbers were cancelled (ie guns imported by Lever, the sample imported by CanAm - as learned in this thread and maybe other guns) and the frt's we see in here are for the new CanAm guns, then why are there two of them? Are there 2 dif models?
As I had few days off work, I started to phone around and askquestions. No matter how hard I tried, the Tech Lab did not want to give me that info. Is this some new RCMP tactic? Some guy I know claims he talked to CBSA, but they did not say much. Another government employee I talked to told me there are 1200 guns seized. Are they not of the same manufacture? Why 2 FRT numbers? The conspiracy continues
I'll be back.
Clobbersauras
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Kaiser - thanks for your reply - I always find your posts interesting.
I guess my last post directed at you is a bit of sour grapes on my part. I made a bunch of scope mounts for the Type 97 that I can't sell, and it bothers me. A lot.
Lector doesn't owe us sh!t. In hindsight there's nothing he could have posted in an open forum that would have helped. He did post that no other dealer would be able to get them in. No-one including the dealers listened to him. I'm sure if they had taken him seriously and PM'd him about it he would have told them what he thought. Apparently no-one, including me, bothered. He's PM'd me regarding other subjects and he's always been honest and extremely fair.
I apologize to Lector or anyone if they think I'm accusing them of anything, I'm not. Sour grapes, being pissed of, and having a little bit of a stake in all this causes one to look for scape goats and grasp at straws.
I'm gonna take a break from this for a while.
I guess my last post directed at you is a bit of sour grapes on my part. I made a bunch of scope mounts for the Type 97 that I can't sell, and it bothers me. A lot.
Lector doesn't owe us sh!t. In hindsight there's nothing he could have posted in an open forum that would have helped. He did post that no other dealer would be able to get them in. No-one including the dealers listened to him. I'm sure if they had taken him seriously and PM'd him about it he would have told them what he thought. Apparently no-one, including me, bothered. He's PM'd me regarding other subjects and he's always been honest and extremely fair.
I apologize to Lector or anyone if they think I'm accusing them of anything, I'm not. Sour grapes, being pissed of, and having a little bit of a stake in all this causes one to look for scape goats and grasp at straws.
I'm gonna take a break from this for a while.
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There's an investigation regarding me. LMFAO
This is going to be fun.
Clobbersauras, stay here, whiteboy, don't go anywhere.
This thread is getting better than a neighborhood BBQ. Bwahahahahaha
so there was not much difference between them.
The only difference was the seller.
From the 1200 T97's seized,
400 of them were sold by Polytech to Lever Arms.
For the rest you do the math
so you can find out how many are Norincos...
I hope you are going to use a higher level of skills
when you will investigate me
This is going to be fun.
Clobbersauras, stay here, whiteboy, don't go anywhere.
This thread is getting better than a neighborhood BBQ. Bwahahahahaha
All were destined to be non-restricted in Canada,Are there 2 dif models?
As I had few days off work, I started to phone around and askquestions. No matter how hard I tried, the Tech Lab did not want to give me that info. Is this some new RCMP tactic? Some guy I know claims he talked to CBSA, but they did not say much. Another government employee I talked to told me there are 1200 guns seized. Are they not of the same manufacture? Why 2 FRT numbers? The conspiracy continues
so there was not much difference between them.
The only difference was the seller.
From the 1200 T97's seized,
400 of them were sold by Polytech to Lever Arms.
For the rest you do the math
so you can find out how many are Norincos...
I hope you are going to use a higher level of skills
when you will investigate me
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Anyone given any thought to "leaking" this story to the media in such a way to portray the RCMP and the CFC as raging incompetent idiots?
After all, an "800 scary, "high powered, military assault weapons" seized by customs" story is made all the more interesting for the Canadian Sheeple when you can add a spin that "the RCMP initially approved the import of said "high powered, military assault weapons" to be sold by licensed, law-abiding gun shops but decided to make up their own laws and screw over two reputable small businesses."
After all, an "800 scary, "high powered, military assault weapons" seized by customs" story is made all the more interesting for the Canadian Sheeple when you can add a spin that "the RCMP initially approved the import of said "high powered, military assault weapons" to be sold by licensed, law-abiding gun shops but decided to make up their own laws and screw over two reputable small businesses."
