UPDATE: Rossi Ranch Hand Mares Leg

That makes a good case for having the lining!

Can you make mine as dark as the wood on the rifle? (and lined?)
 
So Im on the list for one in .44 magnum but now I am second guessin my decision. Should I have gone with one in 45LC? I have never owned either calibre but assumed the 44 magnum would be better for bear defense as a pack gun. Am I right? Also which calibre is more common? Obviously I don't want to have to search around all the time for more ammo.
 
depends on where you shop. You won't find either at my local Can. Tire.

All I have seen in .45 is cowbow loads, which are light. There is more variety in .44, but you dont see too much of it when its in stock.

I think either way you will be handloading to get the most out of it.

I have never loaded .44, but .45 colt can be a real cannon when loaded up to its potential. Hornady makes some pretty high end bullets for it too.

I know that .44 mag was developed by Elmer Kieth for hunting, so I think you cant go wrong there. There is a mystique about the cartridge. Its really up to you.
 
I have never owned either calibre but assumed the 44 magnum would be better for bear defense as a pack gun. Am I right? Also which calibre is more common?
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Assuming you don't reload, 44mag is better against large bears. Black bears likely wouldn't notice much difference.

I buy two kinds of .44 at wholesale sports, which i would imagine would be an option for you as well :)

If you get into handloading there's not much difference. But i see lots of places that sell 44 bullets cheap. You don't need an ultra fancy bullet when you're talking those kinds of speeds.
 
DerrickLee said:
So Im on the list for one in .44 magnum but now I am second guessin my decision. Should I have gone with one in 45LC? I have never owned either calibre but assumed the 44 magnum would be better for bear defense as a pack gun. Am I right? Also which calibre is more common? Obviously I don't want to have to search around all the time for more ammo.
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If you don't handload, full power 44 magnum ammo is more available. If you do handload, then 45 Colt can surpass the 44 mag for power.
 
Any carbine 10" and greater in barrel I view as a "must handload" proposition, you change your powder to something a little slower than standard for revolvers, and you get a genuine carbine cartridge. I pushed 158gr Speer GDHP's to just shy of 2,200 fps from a rifle barrel with 'Lil Gun, that's .30-30 territory, and the pressures were still moderate. .45 Colt will act the same way, it can be a visciously powerful beast from a carbine. Not sure how strong these Rossi actions are though.
 
On a different note...

HAPY MARCH 1st!!!

Only a few days to go till the end of the month and the projected arrival of the Ranch Hand!
 
rangebob said:
I believe the actual quote is

Pain heals. Chicks dig scars. Glory... lasts forever.
-- Shane Falco (The Replacements)
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Hmm, that sounds suspiciously close to:

"Bones heal, chicks dig scars, and the United States of America has the best doctor-to-daredevil ratio in the world."
- Lance Murdoch (The Simpsons)

10 years earlier, too. :)
 
I have shot the .357 ammo from my GP100. It is by far, much more powerful than CCI, winchester or AE factory loads. Its really loud and makes a pretty big flash, which in my mind means there is lots of unburnt powder leaving my barrel behind the bullet. Which in turn means that in a 12" barrel its going to kick even more azs....
 
I dunno about that load in 44 mag. It seems to me reading the specs that you're really not any better off than you are with the right handload with a 240 grain bullet. Maybe i'm wrong - we'll see how they do in a 12 inch barrel
 
driller212 said:
Looks expensive. But may be good for hunting if it works as advertised.
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Check out this guys bullet tests I just found these.

Mabey not that great after all. These bullets appear to be to hard in the 357 and 45colt for hunting.



45 colt hornady Flex tip
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmYgIbF7mQ0


375 Hornady Flex tip
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRRrvL4b45g


I have found that anytime you have a bullet that likes to crush or bend the tip inwards you have got problems. Lots of tumbling and turning or worse complete and random deflection in the wound tract. Especially when one side of the bullet bends inwards and the other remains straight.

This guy seems to have lost of hand gun tests. I really think it is worth checking his down loads out,,, I know I am going to. I have little experience with handgun bullet tests....
 
jer_vic said:
Hmm, that sounds suspiciously close to:

"Bones heal, chicks dig scars, and the United States of America has the best doctor-to-daredevil ratio in the world."
- Lance Murdoch (The Simpsons)

10 years earlier, too. :)
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Which all comes from

Bones Heal, Chicks Dig Scars, Pain is Temporary, Glory is Forever"

Evil Kneivel
 
Water is not a suitable test medium for the performance of these bullets. Think about it this way. How far does the bullet penetrate in water compared to gelatin. 3-5 times farther or so, maybe more? Why? Water is less dense. Also, it also has no form. While a projectile's velocity increases meet with exponentially increased resistance as in elastic tissue, there is no resistance to the water flowing out of the path of the bullet. For these two reasons, shooting at water, or containers full of it, is fun, but is not a predictor of terminal performance. A third reason is that in tissue, because of the different media involved, increases in volocity do yield deeper penetration on average. In water, the faster you shoot, the less penetration you will get. (With the same bullet) This 3rd difference is the reason why tissue received both a temporary and permanent wound cavity. A mass of water, in a container large enough to contain the force, would display only a temorary cavity, visible only with a high speed camera.

For their intended purpose, these bullets are fine. Underneath that red tip is a cavernous hollow point that is pretty much impervious to plugging due to the rubber expansion point. On a target with more density, IE, MEAT, the results would be far better.

Also keep in mind that this is a controlled expansion bullet. Its not for self defense (two legged critters), but for hunting game with thick hides and tough bones protecting large and relatively resilient organs. The idea with this bullet is to allow it to penetrate the hide and THEN cause damage to the vitals through expansion, mechanican damage and energy transfer (If you believe in that). I am impressed that there was slight deformation on water alone, with no loss of mass.

In my mind, these make the ideal hunting or wilderness defense factory load for the Ranch Hand.

That is the reason that this ammunition is not marketed as personal defense ammo. Its not.

And I would even bet that a proven bullet like a Speer gold dot or Hornady XTP in any caliber would not show good results having been fired into a drum of water.

A really good test of this would be to fire a 17hmr into a drum of water. That bullet will upset on anything. I bet that at the very least you would find large pieces of the bullet at the bottom of the drum. It may even hold together. My guess is that the tip will come off that the bullet will upset only a little, as with the lever evolution ammo.

Anyone want to prove me wrong? I dont have a drum here. Or a wall to drag to the range and hide behind.

Maybe we can borrow the RCMP's. Oh wait. They dont use that ridiculous setup either.

OK, sorry, I am just being synical now. But I am curious about the .17.
 
Thanx for the lecture but I have done lots of bullet tests myself. I don't post them on the Internet anymore because invariably someone comes along and starts #####ing about how it is not good enough for them. Of course the #####ers never bother to do their own testing....

I trust the wet newspaper method as well as the water jug method (with and without boards) to be not only repeatable but to give an indication as to what will happen in game. Many others that actually do this type of testing then compare it to results seen on game would agree it gives an idea of what to expect. When rifle bullet can penetrate through 4 jugs of water with boards between you can expect that bullet to make to to the far side of a moose. If a bullet won't make it though 2 jugs with no boards you can expect it won't always exit a deer. If a bullet won't open up in a long line of water jugs it probably will not open up on a lung shot. It also probably won't open up on wet newspaper either. These are things I have found out for myself.


What have you found out for your self??

Simple fact, if you look at the other bullets this guy tested in the same manner you can clearly see that it is not a coincidence that the 2 Hornady flex tips in 2 different calibers had the same results while many other types of bullets in the 2 different calibers opened up normally. It is also not a coincidence that these are the only bullets used that are actually meant to be fired out of a long bbl lever action rifle, giving more velocity, thus being build harder for that extra velocity and not opening when fired from a hand gun.
 
I shot the .45 colt Leverevolution out of a 20" rifle barrel into wet newspaper and it opened up quite well. I think the velocity was around 1050fps.
 
There were no boards in the videos. Just a back stop.

Animals arent made of milk jugs full of koolaid.

Balistic gel is THE test medium for a reason.

Do what you want in your backyard. Buy what products you feel comfortable with.

But your motives for pushing bad logic are unclear.
 
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