WARNING: Critical flaw in FNS pistol

Glowworm said:
Well after what happened to me with the Glock 17 Gen 5, I have lost confidence in striker fired pistols. At least with a Beretta 92FS it is impossible for the round in the chamber to fire with the decocker/safety engaged.
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So too with a Striker Fired pistol. What they don't have is an active safety like our 92's do. What most should and are aware of is if a strker fired pistol's trigger gets pulled intentionally or not the gun is going bang. Fingers, shirts or hoodies it makes no difference. Get any object caught on the trigger and things can and do become exciting in a hurry. The DA/SA guns with either a decocker or manual safety do add a layer of safety the striker fired guns don't.

Polymer guns do have their place both in shooting sports and for military/LEO work. For one thing they are inexpensive to make and sell to government agencies for far less than steel or alloy guns do. That is a good thing.

Take Care

Bob
 
In September 2018, a Baltimore County police officer carrying an FNS pistol shot himself while in training.

The officer was disassembling his sidearm when it misfired, the Baltimore Sun reported.
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Pretty sure this scenario was not a defective firearm.
 
It’s human nature to blame everyone and everything else but ourselves.

Few people can handle the truth.

When I used to carry, in another life, I carried my Colt Series 80 Govt in condition 2, and trained myself to #### and draw at the same time. Big fan of the Colonel, but was always wary of condition 1 carry.

A man’s got to know his limits, and I know 1911 condition 1 carry is dangerous for a guy like me. So is a chambered striker pistol.
 
When people say they have enough time the rack the slide or #### the hammer in a real life encounter is kind of like saying you dont wear your seatbelt because you'll have enough time to put it on before a crash.
 
Racking slide is slower than draw and cocking in the same motion. There is a technique that is almost as fast, but requires two hands, of course.

I saw a YouTube video of this technique many years ago.
https://youtu.be/K9_JIPLW3sg

Found another one:
https://youtu.be/qeIZa-25RaM

Regarding carrying a 1911 in Condition 2, the shape of the Commander style ring hammer does not lend itself well to draw and ####. But a properly bobbed regular hammer tang does. Everyone has different hands, the tang must be bobbed to suit one’s hands.

Or find a hammer with the right shaped tang from today’s myriad choices.

As far as speed of draw and ####, training and honing one’s muscle memory is all you need. It’s just as fast as wiping down the safety. Try it.

The person who taught me the technique was a gunsmith as well as a designated shooter in a national police intelligence unit. He taught the technique to anyone who wanted to learn and practice it.

He also demonstrated that he could fire off three shots with a single action Colt as fast as ordinary men can fire one shot.
 
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easyrider604 said:
I called FN USA and they sent me this email:

Hello!

Thank you for contacting FN America today.

We recommend you please contact Grech Outdoors.

GRECH OUTDOORS INC

115 Fergus St S, Mount Forest, ON, N0G 2L2

grechoutdoors@wightman.ca

519-509-4867


Best regards,

FN America Customer Service

So I just sent them an email asking for the next step. Let's wait for their reply.
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I just tried to register at FN USA but something wouldn't work for me after I created an account. So sent an e-mail off to Grech.

Wait and see now.....
 
Canuck44 said:
So too with a Striker Fired pistol. What they don't have is an active safety like our 92's do. What most should and are aware of is if a strker fired pistol's trigger gets pulled intentionally or not the gun is going bang. Fingers, shirts or hoodies it makes no difference. Get any object caught on the trigger and things can and do become exciting in a hurry. The DA/SA guns with either a decocker or manual safety do add a layer of safety the striker fired guns don't.

Polymer guns do have their place both in shooting sports and for military/LEO work. For one thing they are inexpensive to make and sell to government agencies for far less than steel or alloy guns do. That is a good thing.

Take Care

Bob
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Sometimes striker fired pistols go bang without the trigger being touched, as in the case with my Glock 17 Gen 5 by pushing the slide forward 1/8" lol
 
Glowworm said:
Sometimes striker fired pistols go bang without the trigger being touched, as in the case with my Glock 17 Gen 5 by pushing the slide forward 1/8" lol
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This /\ is a really dangerous issue, IMO. This is an Accidental Discharge after an relatively easily replicated and fairly common failure to return to battery. There are several scenarios under which it could happen. A squib, dirty or poorly lubed pistol, slide slips when chambering a round, out of spec cartridge, to name a few.

How and why would a striker pistol fire when a slide is simply pressed home the last eighth of an inch....does not make sense.

It’s far worse than the FNS Accidental Discharge induced by having to press the muzzle against a barrier then squeezing the trigger.

I believe this incident should be documented and brought to the attention of Glock ASAP.
 
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easyrider604 said:
This /\ is a really dangerous issue. It’s far worse than the FNS Accidental Discharge induced by pressing the muzzle against a barrier then squeezing the trigger. It should be documented and brought to the attention of Glock.
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I sent them an email but in the meantime if it ever occurs again I will be racking the slide instead of pushing it closed. Then again this probably won't happen again since I only shoot my handloads now which always chamber properly unlike garbage Winchester Forged Steel 9mm.
 
easyrider604 said:
This /\ is a really dangerous issue, IMO. This is an Accidental Discharge after an relatively easily replicated and fairly common failure to return to battery. There are several scenarios under which it could happen. A squib, dirty or poorly lubed pistol, slide slips when chambering a round, out of spec cartridge, to name a few.

How and why would a striker pistol fire when a slide is simply pressed home the last eighth of an inch....does not make sense.

It’s far worse than the FNS Accidental Discharge induced by having to press the muzzle against a barrier then squeezing the trigger.

I believe this incident should be documented and brought to the attention of Glock ASAP.
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Both of those need the trigger to be pulled beforehand for any of this to happen.
 
Thank you for letting Glock know, as well as sharing your incident on this thread.

We should be aware that Winchester Steel-cased ammo, like you used, may not chamber properly and thus, be unsafe in Glock 17 Gen 5, as demonstrated by your AD.

I suggest you to please start a thread on this incident to make more shooters, specially Glock fans and owners, aware of this possible AD scenario. Right now it’s buried in an FNS thread that not many will read because they are not FNS owners or fans.

I’m glad I read your post because I also have a 17 Gen 5.

It’s a very disconcerting safety issue that every Glock owner needs to be aware of.

Isn’t the Glock striker half cocked, therefore unable to strike the primer with sufficient force to ignite it, until the trigger is pressed? If so, then why the AD by simply pushing the slide home? Having to pull the trigger to fully #### the stricker is a “safety” feature of the Glock “double action” design, if I understood it correctly.
 
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easyrider604 said:
Thank you for letting Glock know, as well as sharing your incident on this thread.

We should be aware that Winchester Steel-cased ammo, like you used, may not chamber properly and thus, be unsafe in Glock 17 Gen 5, as demonstrated by your AD.

I suggest you to please start a thread on this incident to make more shooters, specially Glock fans and owners, aware of this possible AD scenario. Right now it’s buried in an FNS thread that not many will read because they are not FNS owners or fans.

I’m glad I read your post because I also have a 17 Gen 5.

It’s a very disconcerting safety issue that every Glock owner needs to be aware of.

Isn’t the Glock striker half cocked, therefore unable to strike the primer with sufficient force to ignite it, until the trigger is pressed? If so, then why the AD by simply pushing the slide home? Having to pull the trigger to fully #### the stricker is a “safety” feature of the Glock “double action” design, if I understood it correctly.
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Well like I said initially I realized the slide was 1/8" back after I attempted to fire a round but the trigger was locked forward. So that is when I noticed the slide slightly out of position. I'm not sure if the trigger being locked up deactivated the firing pin safety causing the gun to fire when I pushed the slide forward. Either way my finger was NOT on the trigger when I manipulated the slide with my left hand and it was still pointed down range so good example of how muzzle control at all times is paramount. I'm not a gun smith or an expert on the internals of a Glock 17 Gen 5. All I know is the gun fired without anything touching the trigger. In hindsight my biggest mistake was pushing the slide forward instead of racking it.
 
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